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Wrap OPP, not my suit, vs bad players Wrap OPP, not my suit, vs bad players

03-09-2024 , 02:27 PM
9-handed, 1/2 w/ $5 bring in.

V1 (OBG, UTG+2, $250) very loose/bad. Will play almost any four and chase anything.

V2: (OBG, MP, covers) just like V1

V3 (OWG, CO, $250) is a pretty tight player. From his talk pre (see hand), I put him on big connected cards, maybe with a pair and at least one suit. He does not have AA unless it's a really bad AA, but I'm pretty sure he'd raise w/ AA.

BTN: (OWG, $300) tight and usually just plays his hand.

H: (OWW, UTG, $500) tight/aggressive, usually a winner in this game. I am for sure the only one who studies the game, etc. It’s not saying much, but I’m definitely the best player in this game. Anyone reading this on 2+2 would be, also

$10 BTN straddle, SB limps, I pot w/ TJQKds black to $40, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 looks at is hand and says, “I really like this hand,” and calls, BTN calls, SB folds.

Flop (~$205): 2s9hJh.

Hero? Does anyone limp pre?
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03-09-2024 , 05:21 PM
Always raising pre with this hand that dominates calling ranges. Check flop, see what develops. Go with it vs 1 of them and fold vs 2+. Could be convinced that closing our eyes and shipping is best at this low spr
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03-09-2024 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
9-handed, 1/2 w/ $5 bring in.

V1 (OBG, UTG+2, $250) very loose/bad. Will play almost any four and chase anything.

V2: (OBG, MP, covers) just like V1

V3 (OWG, CO, $250) is a pretty tight player. From his talk pre (see hand), I put him on big connected cards, maybe with a pair and at least one suit. He does not have AA unless it's a really bad AA, but I'm pretty sure he'd raise w/ AA.

BTN: (OWG, $300) tight and usually just plays his hand.

H: (OWW, UTG, $500) tight/aggressive, usually a winner in this game. I am for sure the only one who studies the game, etc. It’s not saying much, but I’m definitely the best player in this game. Anyone reading this on 2+2 would be, also

$10 BTN straddle, SB limps, I pot w/ TJQKds black to $40, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 looks at is hand and says, “I really like this hand,” and calls, BTN calls, SB folds.

Flop (~$205): 2s9hJh.

Hero? Does anyone limp pre?
The question is which 2 flush boards can we possibly bet into 5 other players with 2-5spr as the raiser of limps from the blinds.

Downsides of betting are putting in on a board that will turn you dead 25% or river you another 23%. NFD hands/field being able to weight you on straight draws.

Upside is folding out flush draws same straight draws.

The less they fold the more you should check and try to maximize your turned straight reward and chance of seeing river with money still left to bet.
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03-09-2024 , 08:57 PM
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A straight draw (or even a made straight, for that matter) is significantly devalued whenever a two-flush appears on the board and you don’t have a flush draw yourself, and for a couple of reasons. The first is that you have fewer nut outs yourself, as a few of the cards that make your straight now put a flush on the board. The second is that you are setting yourself up to get freerolled even when you do make the nut straight on the turn. Still, indiscriminate players frequently draw at the straight in this very situation, setting themselves up to get freerolled on the come. For example, let’s say you have K♠Q♣J♠T♣ and the flop comes 9♠8♣2♠, giving you a 13-card nut straight draw with a flush draw and backdoor flush draw. A player drawing with K♦Q♥J♦T♥ is merely setting herself up to get freerolled should you both make a straight on the turn, assuming a flush card doesn’t hit.

Hwang, Jeff. Pot-limit Omaha Poker:: The Big Play Strategy (p. 13). Citadel Press. Kindle Edition.
if the spr is low then i think you just have to go with it.

deep stacked, i would play the draw passively, calling down or check calling down. however, i don't think i'm ever folding so i do question why i choose to play this passively. whenever you're willing to commit you should play aggressively. I wonder if anyone can expand on this and add some guidance.
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03-09-2024 , 09:57 PM
I'm ok with pot/call, especially against weaker players.
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03-10-2024 , 01:36 AM
With 1-2SPR and 4 players as the raiser of limps from blinds you should mainly bet bc your heads up equity is nice vs NFD and weaker draws. 3 way is breakeven/small loss scenarios. 4-5 way breakeven. Main outcomes are heads up winning scenarios. Main line for checking is to fold 3 way vs tighter players with more sets, same hand, FDs compared to 2 pairs.
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03-10-2024 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I'm ok with pot/call, especially against weaker players.
yeah just getting in here. we are still in good shape against v1 and v2 ranges and may actually be able to get v3 to fold some pretty good hands if we bet and get called in one or more spots.
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03-11-2024 , 11:33 AM
Thanks, everyone. I went with it and potted and got the two short-stacks (V1 and V3) to call. V2 is so bad that if he had repotted, I'd just have to call.

V1 had a Q-high flush draw (and nothing else, really) and V2 had J998, and his set held.

I'm glad the consensus agrees with my decisions -- just variance.
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03-11-2024 , 12:12 PM
While I've been more inclined to see a 'safe' Turn lately when it's multi-way and there's a flush draw out there against my Player Pool, I certainly would be pretty aggressive against unknowns until I know the depths of their calling ranges.

In a spot like this I don't mind taking on the A-Q flush draws and even a set, but in my Player Pool I'm getting called by 7-9 high flush draws which may sound nice, but it's just that many more holdings we have to try and beat when I want those junk hands to fold out. I know is sounds silly, but I don't want 'every' flush draw to 'always' call.

PLO Players are very stubborn on the Flop when there's two cards to come. We've got plenty of nut outs here .. and in my Player Pool I'm going to get paid off anyway so I have been choosing to conserve some chips on Flops like this even though we've got plenty of equity to apply pressure. GL
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03-11-2024 , 09:13 PM
I think we are spr 1 ? So it’s just get it in?

If we were 500 deep this has to be a check call with views to donk a bunch of turns.
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