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11-14-2023 , 09:18 AM
Do people make hands up and post? I think it'd be a good idea.
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11-14-2023 , 11:12 AM
I bet the river and get raised. Should I call? Reads are that villain has some hair.
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11-14-2023 , 02:24 PM
Why wouldn't you make up hands though. Hypothetical habds If your studying come to mind alot. I think it's a good idea.
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11-14-2023 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheFold
Why wouldn't you make up hands though. Hypothetical habds If your studying come to mind alot. I think it's a good idea.
It would be a good idea if we weren't all playing at least hundreds if not thousands of hands a day and genuinely interesting spots come up for real all the time.

We should also take into account how frequent a spot is. OP+NFD against possible 2p+oesd or similar is a very frequent spot. Getting raised on the river when you have the nut flush but a straight flush is possible is fairly rare. When we make up hands, it feels like it would be kinda hard to gauge exactly how frequent that spot or similar will be, so it could easily be of limited value; either that, or we've faced similar spots enough times that we kinda have a good take on what to do.

In short: reality is complicated enough, we don't need to add fiction, as it doesn't really come with any specific benefits when we have a deep well of hands played to use already that are far more likely to be repeated by virtue of them having happened in the first place.

In the same way as Marxism / Socialism have a fundamental tenet that all analysis of economic or political systems must be firmly rooted in material reality, i.e. that which is purely fictional must be discarded from academic study, poker analysis should be firmly rooted in reality. Real reads, real opponents, real stack depths, real runouts. The moment we leave the world of the real, we leave the land of the 'most useful' and risk wasting our time.

What we can do is take real hands and modify them by asking 'what if' questions. What if everything else the same but twice the stack depth? What if different turn and river runouts? What if opponent is a nit rather than a lagtard? What if our image were different from how it is? Now there we have a rich seam of limited diversion from reality, which should prepare us well for likely eventualities. But making hands up entirely.... maybe take a creative writing course ;-)
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11-14-2023 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
I bet the river and get raised. Should I call? Reads are that villain has some hair.
As a hair owner I can confirm we are always bluffing here.
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11-14-2023 , 08:12 PM
Yes, but when your studying hands often come to mind that are hypothetical. You disagree with that?
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11-14-2023 , 08:17 PM
Unless your so focused on a certain style of play you see similar situations arise... when studying it allows you to think of certain situations that don't repeat themselves as your like said sure to see similar styles of play based on how you play repeat how YOU play as a competent player switches styles.. this way you take a step back and could see things you normally wouldn't.
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11-14-2023 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheFold
Unless your so focused on a certain style of play
Back when online poker was soft, and still in live poker to some degree, there was a lot of scope for 'different styles of play', but now with the standard of play much higher, and more people more focussed on unexploitable play, and the fish less bad than they used to be (on average), we shouldn't really be thinking as winning players in terms of styles of play that we can use i.e. the best play in spots is far more often just the blanket best play.
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11-14-2023 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheFold
Yes, but when your studying hands often come to mind that are hypothetical. You disagree with that?
When studying hands I often think (and study) about hypotheticals for that spot or how to proceed on future streets. I imagine most players do this. This was a very short version of what wazz said.
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11-15-2023 , 10:08 AM
Oh what did I miss about it.

I think this is mostly true you right wazzz but still imo a ways to go if ever that poker is it 100 percent true I'd say around 70 percent but the 30 percent false.. what do you think
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11-15-2023 , 10:22 AM
"We should also take into account how frequent a spot is. OP+NFD against possible 2p+oesd or similar is a very frequent spot. Getting raised on the river when you have the nut flush but a straight flush is possible is fairly rare. When we make up hands, it feels like it would be kinda hard to gauge exactly how frequent that spot or similar will be, so it could easily be of limited value; either that, or we've faced similar spots enough times that we kinda have a good take on what to do"

This implies the opposite.
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11-15-2023 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheFold
"We should also take into account how frequent a spot is. OP+NFD against possible 2p+oesd or similar is a very frequent spot. Getting raised on the river when you have the nut flush but a straight flush is possible is fairly rare. When we make up hands, it feels like it would be kinda hard to gauge exactly how frequent that spot or similar will be, so it could easily be of limited value; either that, or we've faced similar spots enough times that we kinda have a good take on what to do"

This implies the opposite.
If you want to make up hands, no one is stopping you and no one would know they are made up unless you state they are..........
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11-15-2023 , 07:41 PM
I was thinking of writing Hypothetical Hand in title.
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