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02-09-2024 , 02:54 AM

djevans

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5,082

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 416.16 BB
UTG: 177.52 BB
CO: 155.08 BB
BTN: 93.84 BB
Hero (SB): 102.72 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8.2 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.8 BB

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 6.32 BB, BTN calls 6.32 BB

BTN shows J

(Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 48%, Flop 77%, Turn 85%)
Hero shows J

(One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 23%, Turn 15%)
BTN wins 28.56 BB

Like i dunno- I probably would of played AA the same. I guess you just lose??? Probably cost myself some money - unless i bet bet bet as a bluff...???? Seemed really bad to do that...

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02-09-2024 , 10:15 AM

pokerfan655

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,422

Maybe I'd cbet 656r but with the clubs I think we just have to give up and check the whole way. Keep in mind when he checks back he probably has something of showdown value as well or else he'd be betting, so I don't like the river bet.

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02-09-2024 , 08:48 PM

nootaboos

grinder

Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 572

Bet turn/bluff give up river is fine imho.

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02-10-2024 , 10:38 AM

crimsonchin

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,947

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Originally Posted by pokerfan655

Yeah but instead of jj87 he could have had jj98 and this would have worked a good %.

To really understand this spot you just have to do solver analysis. What is treshold for bluffing, do we bluff all non SD value hands? What’s our weakest value bet? Try a few different rivers also.

What is the IP river call range? How does population deviate? How does their get to the river range deviate.

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02-10-2024 , 08:54 PM

Munga30

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,710

If you're not playing AcAx differently than this, you might consider it.

I think crimson has it right. There's some ev to be had here vs the pool but it'll take more than a forum question to tease it out. Fwiw I think your single 8 is a pretty thin reason to stab this river. But also shrug it can't be a big mistake once you're here.

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02-10-2024 , 10:44 PM

monikrazy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,073

I think bluffing the river is fine, but probably a larger sizing would be better. Villain isn't folding here so it doesn't matter.

I'm fine with flop and turn. We don't need to force it with this hand, especially since catching a high pair will often be good.

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02-11-2024 , 10:48 AM

pokerfan655

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,422

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Originally Posted by crimsonchin

yeh agreed - I mean really the answer to every question is use a solver but then the forum wouldn't exist.

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02-15-2024 , 06:26 AM

grant2

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,532

betting the turn seems more likely to work.

It is harder to believe you are making a value bet after skipping 2 chances to do it earlier.

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