Hero $700 2/2 Live PLO

In SB with KJT9ds - KJhh T9cc

Utg straddle $5, folds to MP raise to $20, 1 call, hero squeeze to $90, MP calls.

Not sure if this hand should be a squeeze or not. Seems like a good 1 gapper to do it with. I've been trying to work on having a squeeze/3bet range with double suited rundowns/1 gappers, AKKXr+ and AQQXss+ instead of just AA.

MP is splashy agro and has us covered.

Flop ($210) J62hh no club
Hero?

Preflop is fine. You can basically do anything you want on the flop except c/f, but I'd probably checkraise if he bets big; if he bets small, sometimes I'd c/c and c/r the rest. Given your description, it sounds like he could easily find the second barrel on the turn, and I think that's more likely if he bets small, so against this guy specifically, I could see c/c flop, c/r turn.

How aggro? How will they respond to both your checks and bets with the nut flush or wheel wraps?

You're supposed to have all the overpairs here .. why wouldn't you be betting unless you're willing to trap (and go all the way) with the flush draw.

I like to bet 100 here to test the waters against aggro V .. otherwise they may do what they do and the pot gets bloated.

I think any flat of a V bet or raise puts our hand face up as 1 pair so I'm trying to stay just a sniff more wide by leading out. GL

They will prob want to pile in the chips ASAP with either of those holdings. I don't see him raising with QQ or KK since we have those + AA in our range. AJJXds could be possible too.

I like this.

Pre is def a good squeeze and in such a game where people are just playing way too wide I would really open up my squeezing range with high card rundowns, so any DS high card rundown is a squeeze and I think you could find a few spots to squeeze in a single suited A-high rundown.

Essentially the way 3b bluffs work in plo is that while you have little FE preflop, your 3b bluffs can push their equity aggressively on flops and push our opponents out, that’s where the FE comes in. So try really think about how your hand will play if you 3b vs flat. What’s the SPR gonna be on the flop and how will that work out for my hand?

As played indeed anything but cf is good on this flop. Vs passive or loose players you bet because your hand is good and they’ll just take free equity if you check.

Vs aggro players you could check, because your hand is not a slam dunk value bet, it becomes a viable option. For example if you have the ace high suit here you really have to bet to get value and would need a lot stronger reasons to trap. But with this hand not a lot of ev is lost by checking. Then wether you c/c or c/r comes down to how light villain will rip it on you on the turn if you c/c. How do you think he perceives his range of you c/c?

What was your plan with AAxx with and without the naked Ah?

I think you can bet anything you want here, or check, it doesn't matter. We have arrived at a node that is essentially a 3b pot with 100bb starting stacks (SPR = 3) due to the straddle and limpers and bloated pot size.

So, CO opens, we are in the BB and 3b, CO calls. This is the same hand as OP posted and plays the same. For me, I have a very small checking range on a J62 board with this action. I probably bet 1/2 pot or full pot with close to my whole range and try to mix these about 50/50.

I'm going to just rip it here and expect to get a fold most of the time.

I mean, I'm agro and if you check I'm checking behind a lot. If he is crazy agro and you expect a bet super often (majoritiy of the time) I'd maybe xr it here, but I think betting is the play and I don't think it matters if you bet 1/2 or full. It can go in on the turn either way.

I think I'm betting close to my whole range as well. Likely GII with AAXX with or without the naked Ah. In that scenario if he has JJ so be it. Since it's heads up we shouldn't be in completely horrible shape except vs a few select hands. I fold AAXX a lot multiway since live PLO tends to go 4+ handed constantly. Tend to play it pretty cautiously unless I have draws to go with it. Heads up against this player I think it'd be hard to find a fold.

With the current hand I'm not sure we GII when he has KK or QQ though. No reason he can't see me having an overpair to his if he has those and he never has AA. He has way more flush draws than those hands when we GII imo. I'm only in bad shape vs AJXXhh. Even against a set it's still close to 60/40.

So your decision point .. Do you want to 'block/Probe' bet and risk getting shoved on (but know more about their holding via call/raise action) or risk getting bet into for more and 'not' knowing what strength they are repping?

As indicated by more than one above .. there's no wrong answer here. And I'm not sure there's a 'best' action either against a V like this. GL

Be satisfied with the money in already pretty standard here but it could be messed up

Decision:

Even if your up against t a lower fd plus queens your still only like 60 percent it's better to disguise your hand here and check call bad answer from.me first time it's better to check call with plans to raise turns and delay the hand outcome for a street to little info on this flop let it develop

What's wrong with GII as a 60% if that's the case? I'm happy to get it in as a favorite. Why make it a 2 street game instead of 1 if we win more times than not and we might not be able to get it all in on the turn or river? We should be betting this flop often imo.

The way I see it, if it goes bet, raise, GII. That's better than x/c, then a possible check through on the turn. Although he can be agro there's also no saying just because we check flop that we are guaranteed to be able to x/r or x/c flop and x/r turn. It might check through.

So with that in mind, if we x/c. What are we doing on heart turns or other turns where we improve to trips, 2 pair, bdsd? Checking to hope he bets? If he pots do we GII now with the 2nd nuts on a heart?

It just feels like we lose a lot of value unless we are pretty certain he will bet. With our SPR we can GII by the river but it's going to be harder to unless we just do it early imo.

You only have to answer to yourself in the car on the way home .. lol.

As described, and ignoring the outliner holdings on both sides of you and V's ranges, this is going to be a 65-35 either way at best .. AND I think you're probably over 50% quite often here. You're actually a favorite over an over-pair AND bottom 2 pair holding as long as they don't block your flush draw. So yes, you're a (slight) favorite over someone with 3 pair here .. and if somehow a blank hits the Turn you're still around 40%.

Back to the question(s)?
1) What wrong with .. ? Nothing
2) We lose value if .. ? Yes, against this opponent .. perhaps

Your last post spills a lot of what 'your' right answer is ..
A) You want to spin 350bb at 60-45%
B) Your 'willing' to spin 350bb at 60%
C) Your happy to spin as a 'probable' favorite
D) Your worried about lost value .. even lost 'thin' value
E) Your not interested in allowing for bluffs or mistakes in these marginal spots.

The question isn't whether or not you 'can' spin 350bb here, it's whether you 'should' do it. If you are well rolled and if you can handle the emotional stack swings then a more aggressive approach will sit well in the car on the way home. Does that approach work for every Player .. no, I don't think so.

Obv from a 'poker' and math stand point you are just supposed to GII and let variance take over. But lots of Players don't have the bankroll or the ability to play enough hands to allow for large swings in variance, so they opt for a more conservative style.


IMO the key to profit in poker is generating folds, not Showdowns .. or at least tough decisions. THREE times in last 8 days I've bombed a 'key' Turn card that made massive draws possible. In all three of those cases the V still called off for 'Pot' on the River when the draw hit .. with a Flopped bottom or middle set. Whose making the mistake here? I lost all three hands .. it must be me, eh? No, it's the V. If V is going to flat the Turn AND call off River even when the draw hits, then it's V's mistake of not shoving/raising the Turn. I'm going to win this pot way more often than I'm bluffing when I bet the River .. so V is now putting in chips when behind/dead than when they were ahead, mistake.

My point? It's that they are 'fine' with it, even if they lose .. so now I need to prevent 'my' mistake by even trying this maneuver on V not willing to fold when they had the nuts on the Turn.

In general I'm fine with losing value if I can avoid 'lots' of Showdowns. I'm also 'not fine' with just flipping for 100s of bb even though I do play a lot. I'm also fine with Players who are fine with flipping .. I just don't join them as often as they'd like me too! GL


PS .. And yes .. if this is 2-2 bring 5 PLO, then it's only 140bb. But the same concepts of bankroll and mindset apply IMO.

Idk I think the value of the hand could get better on turn while it's still a valuable Hand I'm thinking most time we get a fold a good 70 pct while if we check we can maximize the value of the hand if that makes sense.. I mean if check and raised I'd say to call your 3 vet than we can get into a battle with this hand I check most of rhe time but bet it here more without thinking much about it If we check it's a deeper hand which I prefer playing

Yes this game always does mandatory straddles. Whether it's UTG or BTN changes but it's always $5. So I see this as 140bb.

Personally the way I see it, after I bet the $90 on the flop I have ~$500 left and there's $300 in the pot. If he pots and we decide to GII its going to be calling $500 to win $1300. If we know we are likely a favorite in this spot this should be a fist pump snap call, and if someone doesn't think they can make this call because of variance or a more conservative style then idk if PLO is for them. There's going to be many hands where it gets in and you are a 60% in a 60-40. If you're folding these hands looking to only GII better than that you're going to be burning a lot of money with preflop and other street calls and leaving a lot of possible money on the table.

I just feel it's very hard to GII with better odds in this game.

Idk if this is the right approach or thinking tbh but it's how I see it.

Yeah your right I'm wrong didn't see the money thought you had like 1k behind don't know why I thought that. But at that money than it's pretty straight forward play think 1k deep though we could maximize value from the hand by taking it to further streets.. think it might play better to our advantage. Just cuz if we are deep he expects us to bet with fds plus pairs where we'd be 6040 in.

As the oop 3bettor and spr 3, I'm betting big about half the time, trying to deny equity but a lot of sigh gii. blocking top pair and second nfd fits here, generally. small bets are hopeless bet-folds and very top of range. checking the leftover middle. My checks should include kr jams and I suppose this fits but I don't personally play top set this way so unlikely to use this combo here. If you can remember to exploit JJ the same way then by all means go ahead.

I like this a lot, but then I checked it out with FlopHero and have some interesting findings. It is betting range here, with about 40% / 10% / 4% / 45% B33 / B50 / B75 / B100 sizings, which I think we can simplify to exactly what you said - 1/3 or PSB. Interestingly our exact hand goes into the B33 range. I think it's because we are so strong and want to encourage villain to continue. We have second nut flush and block top pair so it's hard for him to continue. It wants to bet pot with 9Thh instead of KJhh though.

I explored a number of 9TXX double suited hands (I wanted to unblock the J) and the results are similar - nut flush or second nut flush we bet smaller when we block top pair, but if we unblock top pair it plays a fairly balanced mix of sizes with nut flush draw, but always betting big with smaller flush draw. If we block top pair and do not have nut or second nut flush draw we rip it (flush or no flush). Hands like AK9Tccss go into the 1/3 bucket.

Glad I came back to this hand.