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09-03-2009 , 07:39 PM
This is at a $1/$2 8-game table. 5 hands in.

Villain has won 3 of the first 4 pots this round including one where he 4-bet preflop and won the pot on a A25r flop.

I'm totally at a loss for what to do here. Does this mean my river bet was bad? I was trying to rep the dry Ace and have him pay me off with a smaller flush. Is the rest of my line ok?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $44.00
Hero (BTN): $78.85
SB: $98.75
BB: $50.00
UTG: $46.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A Q 8 K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 8 3 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB calls $1.60

Turn: ($6.70) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.80, SB calls $3.80

River: ($14.30) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.60, SB raises to $54.40, Hero ...
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09-03-2009 , 07:48 PM
What are you afraid of? The straight flush?

He called you all the way. He seemed to like his hand before the 7 hit. He is representing and hoping to get you to fold.

I shove and just call it a bad beat if he has the straight flush.
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09-03-2009 , 07:54 PM
You should be beat here. If he's capable of doing this with a total bluff and would have reason to do so in this spot only u would know. Otherwise its a fold.
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09-03-2009 , 07:58 PM
This was a previous hand against the same opponent much earlier in the session with a similar preflop and flop line.

This seems to push it to a fold I think.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $80.80
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $38.85
SB: $59.80
BB: $36.15
UTG: $38.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7 6 6 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 6 2 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

Turn: ($7.10) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($19.10) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $19.10
Hero shows 7 6 6 J (three of a kind, Sixes)
SB shows K K 9 8 (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Hero wins $18.20
(Rake: $0.90)
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09-03-2009 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneColdTex
What are you afraid of? The straight flush?

He called you all the way. He seemed to like his hand before the 7 hit. He is representing and hoping to get you to fold.

I shove and just call it a bad beat if he has the straight flush.
T9dd, 45dd, and 59dd are all consistent w/ his line. He cant be bare ace bluffing here (obv), and theres really no way he'd be pure bluffing here trying to "rep the straight flush" in the hopes youll laydown a flush urself.

He wouldnt be raising river w/ any normal flush here, hed just call.

So unless im missing something he either thinks hes rebluffing u or he actually has u beat.
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09-03-2009 , 08:02 PM
i know what i'm going to say ismaybe result oriented but just few things:

-most of the time people don't bluff big bot if they have won a big pot few minutes ago
-your line is very consistent, you likely got a big flush, so if vilain is a solid player and if your image is ok, i doubt he could do the same with K Flush but he will do the same with a straight flush.
-He could bluff a flush board but if he's solid he should have the Ace of diamond or use the fact the board is paired. And you got the ace on a non-paired board...
-his line is consistent with a straight flush

But, i'm ok : really really hard to fold
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09-03-2009 , 08:04 PM
Also, villain is xxpavelx if anyone here knows him
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09-03-2009 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
This was a previous hand against the same opponent much earlier in the session with a similar preflop and flop line.

This seems to push it to a fold I think.
MP: $80.80
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $38.85
SB: $59.80
BB: $36.15
UTG: $38.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7 6 6 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 6 2 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

Turn: ($7.10) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($19.10) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $19.10
Hero shows 7 6 6 J (three of a kind, Sixes)
SB shows K K 9 8 (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Yeah if he knows ur not vbing rivers thin than theres no reason for him to believe that would ever in a million years be a good spot to bluff in hand 1.
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09-03-2009 , 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
This was a previous hand against the same opponent much earlier in the session with a similar preflop and flop line.

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7 6 6 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

(Rake: $0.90)

has nothing to do with your problem but i think it's a fold pf, no?
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09-03-2009 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl
Yeah if he knows ur not vbing rivers thin than theres no reason for him to believe that would ever in a million years be a good spot to bluff in hand 1.
agree!
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09-03-2009 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl
Yeah if he knows ur not vbing rivers thin than theres no reason for him to believe that would ever in a million years be a good spot to bluff in hand 1.
Also he didn't bet the river with the Kc in his hand.
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09-03-2009 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirdji
has nothing to do with your problem but i think it's a fold pf, no?
Maybe. I just raise pretty wide from the CO and Button in 6-max PLO games. Especially when it's part of a rotation so people tend to play pretty straight up.
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09-03-2009 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Also he didn't bet the river with the Kc in his hand.
Yeah but, I mean, he may have been going for a c/r bluff for all we know.

Plus its not exactly the same situation since one is a monotone flop and one is backdoor.

I think the fact that he saw u check back the river when the board got ugly is the important factor in that hand.
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09-03-2009 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Maybe. I just raise pretty wide from the CO and Button in 6-max PLO games. Especially when it's part of a rotation so people tend to play pretty straight up.
I think its ok if BTN, SB and BB are pretty tight and weak. But if they aren't , when you get called, your hand is likely dominated and very hard to play even in position. Moreover, you can't stack off against an other hand with a big equity unless you flop quads. But this is an opinion of a very tight player

Also why do you think people tend to play straight up in mixed game?
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09-03-2009 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirdji
I think its ok if BTN, SB and BB are pretty tight and weak. But if they aren't , when you get called, your hand is likely dominated and very hard to play even in position. Moreover, you can't stack off against an other hand with a big equity unless you flop quads. But this is an opinion of a very tight player

Also why do you think people tend to play straight up in mixed game?
Well I think a lot of the "moves" come about after more than 6 hands in a row of the same game. It's so much easier to find patterns to attack in someone's game when you play the same game for 100 hands or whatever. That's not to say some people might make these moves anyway but I think it's much less common.
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09-03-2009 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Well I think a lot of the "moves" come about after more than 6 hands in a row of the same game. It's so much easier to find patterns to attack in someone's game when you play the same game for 100 hands or whatever. That's not to say some people might make these moves anyway but I think it's much less common.
interesting
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09-03-2009 , 11:26 PM
What do people think about my turn and river bets?

Do you pot the turn and/or bet smaller on the river?
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09-04-2009 , 12:46 AM
Nothing wrong w/ ur sizing on any street imo. You could conceivably microbet-call the river to induce, but given the likelihood villain has a flopped flush here I think a big river bet is fine.

Potting the turn would price out fh draws, but thats not something u should be overly concerned about IP unless u have reason to believe villain will blufflead or c/r bluff a board pairing river and make u make a mistake there.
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09-05-2009 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
I'm totally at a loss for what to do here. Does this mean my river bet was bad?
lol, come on.

as for what to do now folding is probably in order on the paper vs some opponents etc. but calling or shoving everytime is probably not a big leak or anything in the long run.

edit: since its an 8-game the chance he is doing it for value with a lower flush is probably higher than otherwise so call.
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09-05-2009 , 01:33 PM
Default is to think villain would call if he thought you were bluffing. Villain doens't seem like a spazz, and you are definitely betting like you have the nuts... Also you have the Qd.
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09-05-2009 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt
lol, come on.

as for what to do now folding is probably in order on the paper vs some opponents etc. but calling or shoving everytime is probably not a big leak or anything in the long run.

edit: since its an 8-game the chance he is doing it for value with a lower flush is probably higher than otherwise so call.
I didn't mean that I should check behind. I meant that maybe the size was too big. If I bet smaller I might get more value out of worse hands and could probably more comfortably call a raise since my bet might look weaker.
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09-05-2009 , 08:17 PM
ehhh, i don't think i can fold here. shoving is terrible tho
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