Should a crusher aim for 35% to 40% VPIP, if they're an absolute crusher? Thanks

what do you consider as a crusher?

is it live or online?

the answer depends on a lot of factors, how many loose passive player at the table, how many aggro players left of us that can punish us by 3b/4b wide, rake, stack sizes...


But in general a very good player that plays 30% VPIP online likely wont make more money just playing wider preflop. Especially if the table is loose you would just get in a lot of multiway pots with hands that generally play bad in mw pots and that certainly wont make you money

Hey thanks bro.. appreciate that.

I'm thinking though if a person is good enough to play professional plo $200 wouldn't it make sense that getting involved in more pots of at plo$20 gives more opportunity to outplay opponents in further streets where more situations are apparent to use the knowledge of the pro? Don't really see how this doesn't make sense unless there's some sort of threshold.. but appreciate the time given for a response either way

20ish

in theory it makes sense, but in reality not really. Its not a HU situation, most of the time you wont be able to just isolate one guy hand after hand and you will end up in multiway pots with hands that perform bad in those, which will cost you money in the end

What does that matter if it's heads up or full ring it doesn't at all. Looking for some with experience to answer please.. but appreciate you.

in full ring there's higher chance multiple people see the flop which in term makes your looser range, example: 8843, 7643, draw to smaller flush draws, smaller sets, dummy end straight draws. You see the flop and have to end up folding the flop anyways because on KQ8, how comfortable are you sticking in 500bb with 88 when two or three players go all in ahead of you. Or flop is 852, you draw with 7643...then turn 7. you make the second nuts and two people go all in ahead of you for 300bb. those are just the extremes to give you examples

Man I feel old.. I remember when I'd come to this site when younger and everybody seemed informative. Haca this doesn't matter in pertains to my question. Idlf anybody understands this and has a good estimation please pm me. Thanks

it depends a lot on the table. if you are playing against 5 tags then you need to be more conservative in starting hand selection than if you are at a six max table with passive fish instead. otoh aggro whales can also cause you to tighten up. in general i would say that 45% is so loose as to be unprofitable in most lineups, but that anywhere from 8 to 30% can be fine depending on the table.

O ok. Ty.

But again not trying to be rude but if you understand my question please pm.

As others have been trying to say this isn't a meaningful question. If everyone is playing pure GTO there is an answer but then you aren't an "absolute crusher" but one of the equals at the table. If you do have a skill advantage the key to your question is where does your edge lie. If everyone calls too often you need a tighter range so you can push value especially from your better on average kickers. If everyone folds to aggression you need to play more hands so as to steal more pots. Are there other sharks at the table and where are they seated relative to you? As a crusher you should aim at whatever betting pattern has the highest ev and how your opponents misplay along with are there other sharks that can exploit your exploits to the general table to their benefit are key issues.

People understand your question, you're just not getting the answer you want. The answer to your question is it depends. There's no hard and fast rule about vpip and crushing. It depends on the table. Your ev and crusherness will depend on the table you're at and the seat you occupy. Also, a crusher isn't going to aim for a vpip to play, they're going to adjust to the table they're at and play the best strategy they think will net the most bb/100.

Ok so tell me how whether or not its table dependent based on player type deals with my question.... Itys not people ust want to hear themselves talk like yhou. I could explain now but after you give me your time ill embarass yhou like you just tried to do to me.

Im not asking for advice in the question thats an assumptions i dont make assumptions...

Its not an in depth question whatever ill say it i not a mean operson but in general if a crusher goes that far down in stakes say a 5/10 to a 1/2 game theyll obviously want to get involved in much ore pots.. Not sure whatg drugs some people are on.

lol ok.

yes, it's table dependent. why do you think it wouldn't be? these crushers from 10x the stakes aren't all the sudden going to come down, assume every player's a huge fish and spew ev to them by playing a bunch more hands. Will they play more hands? Probably. Will it be hugely significant? No.

but you're asking others to make assumptions for you in your question. very odd thing to hang your hat on.

I could see how you see it but I feel I'm right by 60/70 percent vs you and others point. Again I just seen how you were thinking and I disagree. Unsure if you could see how I see it but I believe in order and believe order wins vs chaos so a player who plays 5/10 is going to be better than a regular at 1/2 maybe 75% of the time and this is the MAIN point behind my question and why I disagree with what you and others have said. I don't know how this isn't obvious so got a little frustrated but again I seen how you could see it and hopefully you see how I see it. If you still disagree than I don't know what to tell you except I could explain it more to you but that's the premise of how I see it. Kind of like saying in a way a master chess player who moves down in skill level wouldn't open up his game. That's what I'm saying since there's more skill than a player would open up his game to take advantage of the situations that come up where he could utilize that extra skill learned. Idk man.. I thought this was pretty obvious but whatever. Thank you for time given to try and answer and to the others. If anyone agrees with how I see it please pm me.

Just play around 20% VPIP. Don't play heads up at the micros. The rake is to high. You will never win playing heads up because you will probably be paying like 40bb/100.

VPIP stands for Voluntarily Put In Pot, which is a poker statistic that measures the percentage of hands in which a player voluntarily puts money in the pot preflop. It's an important statistic for understanding a player's playing style and tendencies.

There isn't a one-size-fits-all answer to your question because the optimal VPIP for a crusher depends on a variety of factors, including the game format, the stakes being played, the player's skill level, and the opponent's playing style.

In general, a VPIP range of 35% to 40% is considered relatively high for most poker formats, and it's typically associated with a loose-aggressive playing style. However, if a player is an absolute crusher, they may be able to profitably play a wider range of hands and still maintain a high win rate.

Ultimately, the optimal VPIP range for a crusher will depend on their ability to read opponents, adjust to changing game dynamics, and make profitable decisions based on the information available to them. It's important to note that focusing solely on VPIP without considering other important poker statistics and variables may not lead to optimal results.

This is the answer. Overall at the micros the rake is too high. If you play a higher VPIP, it means more marginal spots. If the rake is high, all these marginal spots turn -EV.

The easiest way to exploit loose passive play is by playing solid ranges and getting it in with a big equity edge - having nutted hands and draws vs weaker, dominated ones.

Unless you live in a 3rd world country, extracting the max BB/100 from a rake trap should not be your goal, just focus on getting up to the next level