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Two Flush Flops and anti-outs/Freerolling Two Flush Flops and anti-outs/Freerolling

10-05-2015 , 12:49 PM
How should a two Flush board be approached lets say you flop a set with a wrap how much does front door and a backdoor two flush flop diminsh your equity..Lets say you have the nut Hi on a two flush flop, should we be folding the nuts at these stakes, do we get freerolled enough to justify folding the nuts on the flop, Right now I play flopped nut hi hands super aggressively then either bet/check fold when a draw hits I do notice at these stakes players play their hands face up and let you know when your beat....Now I have been trying to use this to my advantage by donking coordinated turn/river runouts, but when it happens to me I just snap fold is there a counter to this, Is it a mistake to try and get all in with the nuts on the flop? also how should anti outs be approached, and how much do blockers play a role,lets say theres a two flush but you have a single card of one of the suits,so means at least 5 of the cards of that suit are out so your opponent has 32% equity rather than 36% assuming he doesnt have 3 of his own suits?

Last edited by Drrr.Gonzo; 10-05-2015 at 12:59 PM. Reason: ugh
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10-05-2015 , 01:15 PM
Post HHs, or at least individual hypothetical HHs that correspond to each of the situations you're describing. This question is quite vague and also sloppily worded. There's a reason the other thread produced no answers.
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10-05-2015 , 01:16 PM
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How should a two Flush board be approached lets say you flop a set with a wrap how much does front door and a backdoor two flush flop diminish your equity
Is it even possible?

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: T87
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
TT9c6c86.08% 500,45032,059
dd13.92% 67,49132,059

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: T87
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
TT9c6c88.16% 514,31129,330
*11.84% 56,35929,330

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: T87
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
TT9c6c82.69% 479,22133,817
ssdd17.31% 86,96233,817

click edit after clicking on the sim link and mess around to get more answers... you should probably write a draft next time for your post as it is wall of text and even I can't understand why most of it is in there
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10-05-2015 , 01:29 PM
sorry its so sloppy im at work doing what i can between people, but im sure a few geniuses understand what i mean and yeah set + wrap isnt possible i meant either or,,, cant use edit on this computer sorry if there is a clearer thread with this question being answered please link it,,,basically I want to know if im justifed in pushing a strong flopped hand on a draw heavy board and I want some information on how I should view Blockers and anti-outs
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10-07-2015 , 12:06 AM
Just another sloppily worded wall! I think you'd be better off posting actual HH's and going from there.
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10-07-2015 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo
sorry its so sloppy im at work doing what i can between people, but im sure a few geniuses understand what i mean and yeah set + wrap isnt possible i meant either or,,, cant use edit on this computer sorry if there is a clearer thread with this question being answered please link it,,,basically I want to know if im justifed in pushing a strong flopped hand on a draw heavy board and I want some information on how I should view Blockers and anti-outs
read a plo book,,

hwang and slotboom is where i started

it is complicated when draws can be favorite over the nuts, you need an understanding of the decks equities
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10-08-2015 , 05:58 PM
Yep, if you can get a good grasp on the numbers and working out your equity against villain ranges, you can understand where it's appropriate to stack off and where to play more defensively. When I first started playing PLO it blew my mind that I could flop top set and be an underdog to a wrap/ fd combo draw, and all the other spots where a strong value hand is just not doing as well as you'd intuitively think.

Definitely read some beginner PLO books, they give you a good understanding of the types of big draws - particularly straight draw types that can have your sets/ 2p hands dodging half a deck or more of outs. A basic understanding of this, and how certain flop textures interact with your opponents ranges can really help you make better decisions post flop.

Blockers and anti-outs are a completely separate topic. Anti-outs have a lot to do with even your basic preflop hand selection.. Are you playing strong connected hands that flop draws with lots of nut outs, or lots of outs that could easily leave you dominated by a better draw? This includes straight draws or wraps that have non-nut outs, or weak flush draws for example.

Blockers are useful as they can help you make thinner value bets, set up good spots for +EV bluffs, or make better folds.. This topic is too big to get into here so I suggest you find some good literature and discover it all for yourself.
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