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Super Deep Spot with Backdoor Nut Flush... better way to get value?

11-23-2021 , 03:30 AM
I am providing the whole hand breakdown, but I am really looking for advice on river sizing and my (admittedly horrible) hollywood-ing/speech-play.

5-Card PLO Hi, 2-2 with 5 button straddle, $200 to $1000 buy in

H: ~4500
V: ~5500

We were the deep stacks but average stack otherwise was 1000-2500

Eight handed

Limps to H in MP with AhAd9s6h3h and I pot to 40, three callers including villain on button.

Pot 245

Flop: As Qh 8d

I bet 200, only V calls

Pot 645

Turn: 4h

I checked my cards and bet pot (645), V calls

Pot: 1935

River: 7h

Hero snap checks, V doesn't think long before betting 725

I give a shocked look and stare at the board, muttering "there is no way" a few times (I know, it was bad), before checking my hand again and then saying "if you got me you got me, two thousand."

I push in four stacks of green and V tanks for probably five minutes and I try to just stare at the board; eventually V folds and confirms that he had K high flush.

Anyway, I immediately regretted my bet size and how I approached the bet. I was also doubting if this was the right approach. Would I have gotten more value with leading small? Leading big? Is the check-raise the right line?

What would my check-raise bluff look like here? Sizing and behavior, I mean. Do we go for pot (4000ish... I kind of want to puke thinking about that... but really all-in for ~3500) with check raises bluffs and value?

Do we get more value (and look more like a bluff) just going full pot with a lead on river?

I realize these are champagne problems. I feel like I got greedy and made some dumb mistakes.

Thank you in advance.
11-23-2021 , 08:26 PM
Villain is not folding river to a pot bet, with the hand he claimed to have.

You took a polarizing line up to the river. You have the nuts on the river. Villain can't have blockers to represent it.

Just bet the damn pot.
11-25-2021 , 03:23 AM
You're unblocking all of the bluffs so I'm good with the x/r. I think full pot on flop is better than this 80%. The speech play **** is so absurdly bad that it pains me to read it.
11-25-2021 , 03:29 AM
I can't tell you what your bluff would look like behavior wise. But it aint what u did lol. I like check raising. But check raise to full pot. Your top sets will often contain the ace of hearts so you know you will have bluffs here.
11-26-2021 , 05:58 PM
Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
11-28-2021 , 08:25 PM
Reminds me of a hand you would see in a bad poker movie.
11-29-2021 , 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Sagebrush Super Deep Spot with Backdoor Nut Flush... better way to get value?
Villain is not folding river to a pot bet, with the hand he claimed to have.
Unless you use the worst speech play in the history of speech play.
11-29-2021 , 11:11 PM
generally when you backdoor you want to size up. Backdoors look suspicious so if you're going to get looked up, it's best to size up.

i want to say this gets most value when called and helps with fold equity on semi bluff follow thrus, however i feel this is negated the times your bluffs are picked off and they fold to your vbs. i also i feel i'm talking out my ass here.

      
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