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Super Deep Spot with Backdoor Nut Flush... better way to get value? Super Deep Spot with Backdoor Nut Flush... better way to get value?

11-23-2021 , 03:30 AM
I am providing the whole hand breakdown, but I am really looking for advice on river sizing and my (admittedly horrible) hollywood-ing/speech-play.

5-Card PLO Hi, 2-2 with 5 button straddle, $200 to $1000 buy in

H: ~4500
V: ~5500

We were the deep stacks but average stack otherwise was 1000-2500

Eight handed

Limps to H in MP with AhAd9s6h3h and I pot to 40, three callers including villain on button.

Pot 245

Flop: As Qh 8d

I bet 200, only V calls

Pot 645

Turn: 4h

I checked my cards and bet pot (645), V calls

Pot: 1935

River: 7h

Hero snap checks, V doesn't think long before betting 725

I give a shocked look and stare at the board, muttering "there is no way" a few times (I know, it was bad), before checking my hand again and then saying "if you got me you got me, two thousand."

I push in four stacks of green and V tanks for probably five minutes and I try to just stare at the board; eventually V folds and confirms that he had K high flush.

Anyway, I immediately regretted my bet size and how I approached the bet. I was also doubting if this was the right approach. Would I have gotten more value with leading small? Leading big? Is the check-raise the right line?

What would my check-raise bluff look like here? Sizing and behavior, I mean. Do we go for pot (4000ish... I kind of want to puke thinking about that... but really all-in for ~3500) with check raises bluffs and value?

Do we get more value (and look more like a bluff) just going full pot with a lead on river?

I realize these are champagne problems. I feel like I got greedy and made some dumb mistakes.

Thank you in advance.
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11-23-2021 , 08:26 PM
Villain is not folding river to a pot bet, with the hand he claimed to have.

You took a polarizing line up to the river. You have the nuts on the river. Villain can't have blockers to represent it.

Just bet the damn pot.
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11-25-2021 , 03:23 AM
You're unblocking all of the bluffs so I'm good with the x/r. I think full pot on flop is better than this 80%. The speech play **** is so absurdly bad that it pains me to read it.
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11-25-2021 , 03:29 AM
I can't tell you what your bluff would look like behavior wise. But it aint what u did lol. I like check raising. But check raise to full pot. Your top sets will often contain the ace of hearts so you know you will have bluffs here.
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11-26-2021 , 05:58 PM
Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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11-28-2021 , 08:25 PM
Reminds me of a hand you would see in a bad poker movie.
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11-29-2021 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Sagebrush
Villain is not folding river to a pot bet, with the hand he claimed to have.
Unless you use the worst speech play in the history of speech play.
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11-29-2021 , 11:11 PM
generally when you backdoor you want to size up. Backdoors look suspicious so if you're going to get looked up, it's best to size up.

i want to say this gets most value when called and helps with fold equity on semi bluff follow thrus, however i feel this is negated the times your bluffs are picked off and they fold to your vbs. i also i feel i'm talking out my ass here.
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12-07-2021 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cfreaks
Unless you use the worst speech play in the history of speech play.
Guys, I already admitted it was bad. Let me just be a drunk fish on a heater.
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12-07-2021 , 06:52 PM
Just keep betting on the river. The speech "if youve got me youve got me" when checkraising the nuts is just awful. Your line looks like AA, so you can have the nut flush.
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12-10-2021 , 12:34 AM
Honestly that speech would be soooo good if you were bluffing.

But yeah unless you can balance the speech play all the time, just dont do it lol
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12-13-2021 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
Honestly that speech would be soooo good if you were bluffing.

But yeah unless you can balance the speech play all the time, just dont do it lol
+1 For sure I am snap folding K high flush as soon as you start talking. Def going to try this when I am bluffing with the naked A.
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