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09-05-2007 , 03:26 PM
God I feel like I butchered this one.

OK so button is spewy maniac which explains the preflop call from the SB, and the flop check - he literally pots nearly all flops, regardless of the number of players or the type of board. So I'm pretty sure somebody is going to bet and I'm planning a CRAI.

Then it checks around an board pairs. Standard from there?


Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $334.10
Button: $219.05
jbird: $214.95
BB: $120

Pre-flop: (4 players) jbird is SB with 9 9 A 6
UTG calls, Button raises to $9, jbird calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 7 J 9 ($36, 4 players)
jbird checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: J ($36, 4 players)
jbird checks, BB bets $34.2, UTG calls, Button folds, jbird calls.

River: 5 ($138.6, 3 players)
jbird checks, BB checks, UTG bets $136.6, jbird folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $136.6 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $138.6
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09-05-2007 , 03:55 PM
wow tough spot. I think i make the crying call on the river tho FWIW. Unless you put him on JJ which is possible. It looks like he missed a c/r on the flop, so its also very plausible that hes being a little aggro with 77xx. IMO you should fold, but me being the ass I am would probably call and berate him. haha. PM me results if there were any?
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09-05-2007 , 04:21 PM
Seems like UTG would be raising turn w/ J9/J7 if he's decent

Too fishy, so I call but I spew in this game
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09-05-2007 , 04:26 PM
I'd fold the river as well. I think this is Jacks full from UTG more often than not, although he would've probably raised the turn with J7 or J9 so basically only J5 makes sense, and there aren't a lot of J5 combinations PF that would limp/call... I dunno, I'd still fold and take a note.
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09-05-2007 , 10:20 PM
I don't think that's a standard fold, but a pretty tough one. Without knowing anything about utg I "think" I'd fold, but I'm not sure. J9 and J7 are more likely than 77 just from card combinations I guess, but as flameboy said, most players probably raise the turn. On the other hand he might go for donk overcalls w/ flush/straightdraws, or try do induce the button to raise, if he is hyperaggro.
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09-05-2007 , 10:32 PM
I'd fold river but to be honest I'm folding the turn too...I don't think you're going to get a cheap showdown on this board.
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09-06-2007 , 01:10 AM
I'm not sure why the turn should not be played aggressively. I like to check-raise max here, is that a huge leak? After all, BB is a short stack and can make a move here with any jack, T8xx and UTG can literally have anything.
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09-06-2007 , 01:17 AM
Can we raise the turn here looking for value against a naked jack or sniff out a bluff? I prob. raise the turn 60%-70% of the time. The rest of the time I fold. I think by calling, we have givin $36 away...When you called were you hoping he'd give up on the river?
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09-06-2007 , 02:24 AM
i make i probably bet river for $60-70
and another time i fold
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09-06-2007 , 04:05 AM
i think i lead the turn - i want to find out exactly where i stand here, by either taking the pot here or pretty much giving the hand up

if i get 2 calls after i lead out i know my hand is no good as they both have Jxxx and its going to be impossible for me to tell what their side cards are. 1 call i dont mind so much and i consider c/c the river depending on reads

as played i c/f the river - i would say he has you beat 90% of the time here and knows acting last his pot bet looks like a bluff. if he shows a bluff then meh NH and make a note
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09-06-2007 , 08:26 AM
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When you called were you hoping he'd give up on the river?

Yes, actually. In my experience a naked J would check the river here nearly always after being called in two spots on the turn.
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09-06-2007 , 08:55 AM
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I'd fold river but to be honest I'm folding the turn too...I don't think you're going to get a cheap showdown on this board.
there needs to be some special "nit" graphic that can be posted in response to advice like this.
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09-06-2007 , 09:26 AM
Pete do you fold river? Do you raise turn?
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09-06-2007 , 09:47 AM
Once you call the turn, pretty tough to fold the river. He can easily show up with 77 here. As for the flop, I'd probably just lead out.
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09-06-2007 , 01:17 PM
hehe I thought someone would have posted that way earlier pete! obv I'd rather bet turn but I don't see how calling after the action on the turn can be profitable unless you are going to make a hero call on the river. What do you suggest?

PS go easy on (probably) the only female in this forum!
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09-06-2007 , 01:36 PM
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I'd fold river but to be honest I'm folding the turn too...I don't think you're going to get a cheap showdown on this board.
there needs to be some special "nit" graphic that can be posted in response to advice like this.
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or more like
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09-06-2007 , 01:40 PM
Come on then! What's your advice!
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09-06-2007 , 01:43 PM
somebody needs to photoshop that first one so it reads something other than National Invitational Tournament New York.

And WTF is that second thing?

Also, RoundTower:

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Come on then! What's your advice!

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09-06-2007 , 01:45 PM
It's a nit obv! Hmm tried posting an image but no idea how...women ARE useless at technology.
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09-06-2007 , 03:25 PM
I posted this on another response, but my god are some of you NITtastic....Either that or I'm a hyper donk, could be both???
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09-06-2007 , 03:46 PM
getitfixed...just read your response. I like. I feel like I have to make a single decision but the option of two is cool.
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09-06-2007 , 03:56 PM
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Pete do you fold river? Do you raise turn?
raise pot on turn and it's not close.
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09-06-2007 , 04:51 PM
LOL @ jocelyn and the levelling
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09-06-2007 , 04:56 PM
Wazz you wanna meet up for a drink again? x
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