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07-16-2014 , 10:02 AM
It's raise/call I think.
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07-16-2014 , 10:52 AM
How to create good ranges?
Are there good free range desingers/creators?
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07-16-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by baat
What is aggression factor and how is it calculated?
(#bets+#raises)/(#calls). Checks are not included.

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Originally Posted by Benni19
How to create good ranges?
Are there good free range desingers/creators?
PPT (the text hand charts are at the bottom of their documentation), GGaRJ's 3.5K milestone, but the most effective one is your head.
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07-18-2014 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
(#bets+#raises)/(#calls). Checks are not included.
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
It's raise/call I think.
Thanks.
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07-18-2014 , 09:20 AM
I don't think he can ever have a set here or 2p... what you think of shove vs this monkey?

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.53 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 20.26, PFR: 15.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 155)
MP: $15.96 (VPIP: 23.38, PFR: 17.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 156)
Hero (CO): $10.97
BTN: $14.97 (VPIP: 91.30, PFR: 39.13, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 23)
SB: $19.77 (VPIP: 32.72, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 162)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T 9 7 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 5 K Q
Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.15, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

River: ($4.15, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.97, Hero raises to $8.97 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $11.58


Not sure what's going on in this hand... Standard?
PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $15.46 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 101)
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 23.90, PFR: 12.03, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 162)
BTN: $6.57 (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 73)
Hero (SB): $13.56
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
UTG: $4.08 (VPIP: 53.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 28)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T 9 Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 4 8 Q
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.70, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

River: ($5.30, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BB bets $3.80, fold

BB wins $5.07

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07-18-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
(#bets+#raises)/(#calls). Checks are not included.


PPT (the text hand charts are at the bottom of their documentation), GGaRJ's 3.5K milestone, but the most effective one is your head.
Hej thx.
But how are we going to create an optimal range in our head?
Something like an Tutorial would be nice. A range can vary so heavily ..

I mean beyond the obvious.

An Handchart with the percentace of getting a certain hand dealed and also handstrenght chart with Ev/q would be great. I am sure someone has those things.
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07-18-2014 , 11:43 AM
Is this a better spot to x/c rather than x/r?

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $40.92
BB: $10.50 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: $10.40 (VPIP: 24.62, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
MP: $11.92 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 30.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
CO: $7.95 (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
BTN: $9.30 (VPIP: 30.96, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.40, Hands: 1,033)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 4 A K Q

fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) A 4 K
Hero checks, MP bets $0.96, BTN calls $0.96, Hero raises to $4.80, MP raises to $11.62 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $6.82

Turn: ($25.20, 2 players) 8

River: ($25.20, 2 players) 8

Hero shows 4 A K Q (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 39%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
MP shows Q K K 2 (Full House, Kings full of Eights) (Pre 61%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
MP wins $24.13
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07-19-2014 , 02:56 AM
@xptboy

Hand 1: a read is a read, hehe. I'd raise turn in ur shoes
Hand 2: Flop and turn are fine, river I usually fold w/o reads
Hand 3: c/c is optimal vs most
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07-19-2014 , 09:32 AM
Some Beginnersquestion:

a.
How to count Combinations? (books about this topic or guides).
b.
Any Handchart with the probability of getting a hand and Handstrenght in general.
Like AA in Holde has most of the time 80 % Ev against allmost any hand.
c.
What would you guys consider as the basic math of omaha and basic math behind counting combinations/combinatorics?
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07-19-2014 , 12:48 PM
UTG is a bit on the nitty side preflop. Haven't played with him before, so no read reads. Do we like calling the flop, or raising? and why?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 106.42 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 26)
Hero (BTN): 123.08 BB
SB: 39 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 196.5 BB (VPIP: 25.32, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 3.34, Hands: 3,253)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.28, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 172)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T 9 3

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 8 7 5
SB checks, UTG bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold, UTG raises to 81.56 BB, Hero raises to 120.08 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 15.44 BB and is all-in
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07-19-2014 , 12:52 PM
And two preflop spots:

1. A tight player in MP pots, we're in the BB with QhTh7h6c, 100BB deep.
2. A tight player opens in CO for 3x, we have KdQd7c6d in the BB.
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07-20-2014 , 08:15 AM
Which book would you guys recommend for beginners, intermediate and for advanced people?
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07-20-2014 , 09:14 AM
Have to post a new post because i cant edit my old one ...

Where to gt an idea how my stats should look like or how to analysing my stats at pokertracker?
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07-20-2014 , 05:06 PM
I think maybe I have to fold to the shove?!?! I mean, he 3bets 10% of the time and probably more in position, I got a blocker to AA so I don't think he has AA most of the time. But once he 5bet shoves I should probably fold no? Unless I think he can shove with some other hands than AA (which is possible but I haven't seen him do this yet).

So a couple questions, is my preflop 4b ok?
Once he shoves do I have to call?
PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $11.19 (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 44)
SB: $13.12 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: $16.23 (VPIP: 56.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)
Hero (CO): $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 8 A K K

Hero raises to $0.35, BTN raises to $1.20, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.75, BTN raises to $11.19 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.25 and is all-in

Flop: ($20.15, 2 players) J 9 Q

Turn: ($20.15, 2 players) 4

River: ($20.15, 2 players) 7

Hero shows 8 A K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 25%, Flop 25%, Turn 15%)
BTN shows A 8 J A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 75%, Flop 75%, Turn 85%)
BTN wins $19.29
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07-21-2014 , 05:11 AM
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
10%44.95% 255,59828,251
AdKdKc8h55.05% 316,15128,251

defo 4betting pre against a 10% 3b, and as u've done that i don't see me fold ever for 100bb. snap-reload and on to the next one
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07-21-2014 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph33roX
And two preflop spots:

1. A tight player in MP pots, we're in the BB with QhTh7h6c, 100BB deep.
2. A tight player opens in CO for 3x, we have KdQd7c6d in the BB.
I almost always call but I am too loose so...
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07-25-2014 , 11:59 AM
If you had to recommend one (recent) cash PLO book for a decent NLHE player at mid stakes, which would it be?

Thanks

How to count Combinations? (books about this topic or guides).

This question qould be really important to me.

Hi thx.
Who created the word capped ranges? (which book)

By the way.
Why are you guys not making any diggest each month like you used to be back in the day. 2011, 2012.

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07-27-2014 , 02:49 PM
How does PT4 calculate EV? I had 19% equity to win on the turn, went all-in with my last 61bb's, pot 285bb, villain with money still left had me covered so my EV should be 0.19*(285+61) - 0.81*61 = 16.33bb, however in EV graph it's -24bb.
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07-27-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Benni19
If you had to recommend one (recent) cash PLO book for a decent NLHE player at mid stakes, which would it be?
William Jockusch Understanding Winning Play should be useful

How to count Combinations? (books about this topic or guides).

This question qould be really important to me.


What kind of combinations? You mean how many AAxx there are in a range etc?

Hi thx.
Who created the word capped ranges? (which book)


No idea, sorry

By the way.
Why are you guys not making any diggest each month like you used to be back in the day. 2011, 2012.


Because there's no writers who would commit to such an effort for free anymore. Instead I decided to make a compilation in the form of the Grand Digest where new articles could be added whenever someone posts them (and are deemed worthy by the community)

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Originally Posted by ogwi
How does PT4 calculate EV? I had 19% equity to win on the turn, went all-in with my last 61bb's, pot 285bb, villain with money still left had me covered so my EV should be 0.19*(285+61) - 0.81*61 = 16.33bb, however in EV graph it's -24bb.
I'm a HEM-user, c00n?
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07-27-2014 , 04:15 PM
Quote:
What kind of combinations? You mean how many AAxx there are in a range etc?
Yes. If a straight hits the turn. How many combinations have them in it. etc.

Question:
Is a double suited hand allways an 3bet call Ip vs any playertyp?
Why? Why not?

How many zoom tables are good volume grinders playing?
considereing cross limits.
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07-27-2014 , 04:25 PM
Holy hell my red line is killing me




Can you guys give me any tips for me to fix my red line?
I don't really have any donking range or river raise bluffing range which is probably reducing my winrate considerably.
Any tip/comment/insult is welcome
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07-27-2014 , 04:37 PM
What about your aiev?

Dont think you need an donking or raise bluffing range at micros.
Also beeing even after 25 k hands doesnt say much.
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07-27-2014 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Benni19
Yes. If a straight hits the turn. How many combinations have them in it. etc.
Well, for example there 16 possible KQ combos to make a str8 on AJT, if you have 2 blockers like KKxx, it cuts the combos down in half.

Quote:
Question:
Is a double suited hand allways an 3bet call Ip vs any playertyp?
Why? Why not?
Short answer is no. The long answer I will charge you for

3betting ds trash vs a PFR of 10 is pretty massive spew for obv reasons

Quote:
How many zoom tables are good volume grinders playing?
considereing cross limits.
some at midstakes play 8 (Zoom200+500), but I stick to 4 + maybe couple regular ones. If you play tight pre and ABC post you can get away with 8 with a lot of routine.

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Originally Posted by MHCI
Holy hell my red line is killing me

Can you guys give me any tips for me to fix my red line?
I don't really have any donking range or river raise bluffing range which is probably reducing my winrate considerably.
Any tip/comment/insult is welcome
Generally speaking, you shouldn't give a crap about redline at micros, AIEV and showdown winnings are the important ones.

Your preflop stats look a bit nitty in LP, but would have to go deeper into it to see what kind of combos you should add.

I suggest PMing elrazor for micro-PLO tips, he's recently been re-building from zero and is very experienced

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07-27-2014 , 07:17 PM
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Well, for example there 16 possible KQ combos to make a str8 on AJT, if you have 2 blockers like KKxx, it cuts the combos down in half.
There should be tutorials and other things(books, articles) who teaches to count right?
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07-27-2014 , 09:10 PM
I've learned the theory/math bit by bit from videos and books. I've endorsed the few I've read ITT.

There's also no substitute in doing a lot of math and running sims yourself
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