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Just wondering how others take player notes whilst 4-tabling zoom? Is taking notes post game whilst session reviewing okay? Is it okay to have solid notes on regs and not bothering to do it on low volume rec players? Not sure what way is the most effective and time efficient. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!

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02-23-2014 , 08:20 PM

#1952

bumpnrun

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

I'd say Hwang's first book gives a beginner a good grasp of hand values and math in PLO, but generally speaking his advice is too passive for today's online 6max games. Def read his books, but take them with a grain of salt. For example, he seems to have a floating fetish, which can give you lots of good ideas, but is certainly a suboptimal approach in the long run.

As to the training sites, I have clear bias. It's fair to say that RunItOnce is throwing a ton of money around atm, providing content from crushers like Oddsen and Galfond at highest stakes - also most expensive if you want access to this premium content. That said, I assume most people also subscribing to CardRunners would admit that the small/midstakes content there can hold its own, and we have a sick video library full of excellent theory content as well as live sessions. DeucesCracked and Leggo also have great series on PLO essentials. The new IveyLeague site being built on top of Leggo also have big names, but they've only just started putting content out.

My advice is to subscribe to all of the above, lol, they're great bang for the buck if you take poker seriously. Most sites have free trials too, so at the very least take an advantage of them.

Thanks for this, i can now continue reading it. Had my doubts lol

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02-23-2014 , 09:09 PM

#1953

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9player 2/2 PLO:

I know don't play danglers in EP/MP.

but what if the dangler is a Ace? ie: 789A ss but not to the ace

limp MP and pot if the flush of the Ace suit comes?
If not, why?

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02-23-2014 , 11:01 PM

#1954

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Im trying really hard to play looser and I dont even know what the eff I am doing. massive swings

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.10(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($8.81)
BB ($3.63)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($14.21)
CO ($10)
Hero ($13.71)

Dealt to Hero A

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.19, fold, fold, CO calls $0.84

FLOP ($2.53) Q

CO checks, Hero bets $1.21, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.79

TURN ($8.53) Q

CO bets $5.40, Hero raises to $9.52 (AI), CO folds

Hero shows A

Hero wins $18.51

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02-23-2014 , 11:04 PM

#1955

GoGetaRealJob

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Originally Posted by FT37

I'd say develop a system of abbreviations for some basic notes on playing styles. I use stuff like DRB for "desperate river bluffs" or SS for "stupid slowplays". I often just sit out to write down a longer note at Zoom.

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9player 2/2 PLO:

I know don't play danglers in EP/MP.

but what if the dangler is a Ace? ie: 789A ss but not to the ace

limp MP and pot if the flush of the Ace suit comes?
If not, why?

without the nutsuit, A987 from EP/MP 9-handed has very little value. You can justify playing it from LP if you have a whale in the blinds you wanna tangle with.

Blocker bluffs are pretty situational, and I'd advice against using them a lot live

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02-25-2014 , 10:27 PM

#1956

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.10/.25, 9 player

bb: $15
utg (hero = 79tj rainbow): $25
hj: $30

1st orbit, no reads

preflop:
Hero,mp,hj,button,sb,bb are in.

this is a limp and not a raise, right?
my hand hits the flop often but because its rainbow, limp for pot control?

flop (1.50): 78x ss
sb/bb checks, hero pots, hj calls, bb calls

turn ($6): j but now flush is on the table
bb checks, hero?

I have the nut straight but am lost here.

advice on all streets?

Last edited by AA Suited; 02-25-2014 at 10:32 PM.

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02-26-2014 , 01:00 AM

#1957

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limping is not terrible, but this hand is def a trouble hand OOP. You're basically praying not to get raised

c/c flop, c/f turn

OTF you have a nice wrap, but it's a weak draw multiways with a flushdraw out there - as demonstrated by your turn problem

OTT you're up against a flush most of the time if someone bets, and don't have enough equity obv

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02-27-2014 , 08:37 AM

#1958

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Is it a mistake to look to get the money in with premium (AAxx,AKKx/KKJ9ds) hands preflop when deepstacked, I feel when i ship it with these hands im running into aces too often when im deepstacked 200 bb+ is this variance or am I over playing strong King and weak ACES hands when deepstacked,

Also is it proper to to jam any flop with over pairs and back door potential: ex Aces on a 93T ss flop, or Kings on a Kd,7H,8H flop.

Is nut peddling the best play in low stakes live/online omaha,,, should i avoid allin preflop situations or jam everytime the situation presents itself, should i focus more on flop play

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02-27-2014 , 08:58 AM

#1959

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I look to isolate with my double suited hands when in position,but i often find myself in a heads up pot with a bare flush draw, whether i semi-bluff the flop or check call, when the turn bricks i often jam the pot, is this a leak or should play this more passively , any suggestions on me improving my turn and river play

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02-27-2014 , 11:56 AM

#1960

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Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo

The question is a bit too broad, unfortunately. Depends on villain, position, exact stack size... post a couple examples to get a baseline.

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Playing ur draws aggro is usually the way to go, but again I encourage you to post a couple examples

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02-27-2014 , 03:53 PM

#1961

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To be more exact assume it's a game where everyone is deep, and a tag 5 bets all in from early position, should I call with my strong king and week aces hands or should I fold, or should I pick a better spot, I'm more confident in my post flop game than pre, the reason I ask is iv had stretches where I got all in preflop with aces and lost eleven times in a row did I make the right play or will this cost me in the long term

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02-27-2014 , 06:58 PM

#1962

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

so even if my hand was 79tj ss but didn't flop a flush draw with my wrap on a non-rainbow flop, I should play it the same way?
c/c flop, c/f turn?

but if it's head's up, play this wrap draw aggro?

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02-28-2014 , 12:36 AM

#1963

FT37

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I know GGARJ made a post on redline theory? (i think

) If so can someone direct me to that post? Or GGARJ can himself

Also anyone w/ a breakeven or positive redline could share some strategies they use to keep it like that it would be most appreciated!

Thanks in advance all!

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03-01-2014 , 01:10 AM

#1964

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Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo

What is your EV in these all-in situations? You doubt the decisions simply because of losing?

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Originally Posted by AA Suited

so even if my hand was 79tj ss but didn't flop a flush draw with my wrap on a non-rainbow flop, I should play it the same way?
c/c flop, c/f turn?

but if it's head's up, play this wrap draw aggro?

yes and yes

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Originally Posted by FT37

I know GGARJ made a post on redline theory? (i think

) If so can someone direct me to that post? Or GGARJ can himself

Also anyone w/ a breakeven or positive redline could share some strategies they use to keep it like that it would be most appreciated!

Thanks in advance all!

You can find a link to my redline post in the Grand Digest -sticky

redline is a project you must work on patiently while moving up the stakes, as you'll read in said post

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03-01-2014 , 12:23 PM

#1965

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I avoid all gappers at the top end because its trouble. Is that a leak?
ie: 8tjk ss

your starting hand chart says play KT97ss?!
so you're treating the K as a dangler? so it should be read as KsT97?

and can you explain playing QT86ss? I can understand qt87ss, but qt86?

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03-01-2014 , 02:59 PM

#1966

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These combos (QT86 being ds though) are good to open from CO/BTN in most line-ups, but not all. A combination of a nitty BTN and weak/fishy blinds are preferred when opening from CO.

At microstakes, where most pots/flops are multiways, they don't play all that well, but def still profitable in LP given how many postflop mistakes villains make.

In my chart the low end of the spectrum, like 8753ss, is def unplayable at micros

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03-01-2014 , 04:56 PM

#1967

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any reason to drive 45min each way to play 2/2 plo live when you can 4 table .25/.50 online?
same amount of $ risked ($200).

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03-01-2014 , 05:33 PM

#1968

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Your hourly in a live plo game is likely way higher

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03-02-2014 , 01:21 PM

#1969

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GGRJ- thx for the help w/wraps when I don't I have suit of the flush draw flop.

Got another question about hitting the flop but not the flush draw:
lets say i'm bb with 4 rainbow cards and there's 3 limpers.

I flop top 2 pair but there's a flush draw possible.
also c/c flop and c/f on turn or river if the flush card appears?

or is this different since I have a made hand?
If so, pot flop and c/c small bets if the flush comes on turn/river? Or...?

(this is for micros and 2/2 live)

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03-02-2014 , 03:02 PM

#1970

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With the wrap you c/c because you don't wanna get raised off ur equity. With a weak top 2 on a dynamic flop in a limped pot you should just lead pot and fold to a raise feeling good about it - ur rarely a favorite against this raising range. You wanna thin the field so you have some visibility going to the turn.

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03-03-2014 , 12:37 PM

#1971

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thx. got another question:

whats wrong w/low suited conenctors with a dangler in LP? (its not on your starting hand list)
ie: 3

or 2

Last edited by AA Suited; 03-03-2014 at 12:42 PM.

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03-03-2014 , 12:48 PM

#1972

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Ok I'm 90% I'm headed to my first live PLO game tomorrow. It's 2/2 and probably really fishy. So is the general gameplan: nut and "cooler" mine, tight passive pre, tight aggressive post, be in position? I was thinking calling with bigger draws in spots where I would probably raise online because my FE is probably trash. Also what should be my minimum and average bet sizing? Anything I missed or you disagree with? Thanks.

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03-03-2014 , 12:53 PM

#1973

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^^When most flops are multiway, such hands play very poorly. They flop a lot of non-nut draws, weak 2pair, etc. There's very few flops you actually like, and the deception they provide just isn't worth it in the long run.

@Wilverine: I think you'll do just fine

Use exploitative sizing based on ur own hand strength until someone shows he's on to you.

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03-03-2014 , 01:34 PM

#1974

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Thanks. I'm thinking playing something like: TT+, 6789+, 789J+, 689T+, 6678+, 89TT+, AXs and most 3 broadway. No worse than this but cutting some of these out in EP. Maybe some 68KQds stuff if I'm BTN or CO. Seem reasonable? Also I know which are better but can someone go into the difference between top and bottom gaps in rundowns? Just cuz you can't be over-straighted I guess? Ugh I'm still bad with reading and playing wraps.

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03-03-2014 , 01:59 PM

#1975

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This was FR, right? I'd cut pocket pairs lower than TT in most spots, bottom/middle sets don't have a ton of value in multiway pots and present a reverse implied odds problem.

Yea, top gappers don't draw to the nuts as often as bottom gaps.

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