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03-31-2013 , 09:40 AM
4 way just c/f.
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03-31-2013 , 10:14 AM
alright. What about this?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3.49)
BB ($7.78)
UTG ($5.68)
UTG+1 ($2.68)
Hero ($5.25)
BTN ($1.46)

Dealt to Hero 2 4 K K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, SB calls $0.14, BB calls $0.11

FLOP ($0.64) 4 8 J

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BTN raises to $1.30 (AI), SB raises to $3.33 (AI), BB folds, Hero calls $2.85

TURN ($8.60) 4 8 J 2

RIVER ($8.60) 4 8 J 2 Q

BTN shows J K 8 6
(Pre 25%, Flop 34.2%, Turn 38.9%)

SB shows 9 6 7 T
(Pre 32%, Flop 57.4%, Turn 47.2%)

Hero shows 2 4 K K
(Pre 42%, Flop 8.4%, Turn 13.9%)

SB wins $8.24
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03-31-2013 , 10:25 AM
bet fold here (or check behind when villains have high CR, theyre both small stacked and might want to get it in otf). you wont improve a lot of times and board is too wet to be that optimistic and call a 3 way all in with an overpair
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03-31-2013 , 10:28 AM
This hand doesn't flop well, and it's apparent that you're at a table that isn't folding to raises, so it makes little sense to raise this hand pre. It has some value setmining and for flush draw, but the 2 4 are just danglers and the added club hurts our flush outs.

Again it's 4 way, we missed our fd and J8, 48 hits callers ranges, there's a fd we don't have. Not getting enough folds on this table to justify c-betting.

On tables where it's going to be multiway, dry, semi/dry big pairs are just rarely good by the river.
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03-31-2013 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LazurusLong2
This hand doesn't flop well, and it's apparent that you're at a table that isn't folding to raises, so it makes little sense to raise this hand pre.
You realise it's been folded to hero in the CO with suited KKxx? Limping is absurd as is folding.

If BTN folds we get to play HU vs fish IP. If BTN calls we get to play a flop MW with a hand that can make top set, big flush draws to go with an overpair etc. 24 although pretty weak are still connected and we can still flop GS's and straights some of the time to go with our over-pair and FD's etc

As played. Flop is 4 way and very coordinated. c/f
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03-31-2013 , 11:13 AM
Yeah at PLO25 and higher I agree. At these stakes and this table, I think limping is giving up very little and raising is putting us in positions where we flop an overpair and little else against too many villains.

I am all for aggression when and where it will work, but it seems pretty obvious that these guys are loose passive and are calling a ton. I feel like this hand needs FE both pre and post to show much profit by raising.
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03-31-2013 , 11:53 AM
Which stats are you guy's using in your HUD? I know it's probably in here somewhere but I couldn't find it
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03-31-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LazurusLong2
Yeah at PLO25 and higher I agree. At these stakes and this table, I think limping is giving up very little and raising is putting us in positions where we flop an overpair and little else against too many villains.

I am all for aggression when and where it will work, but it seems pretty obvious that these guys are loose passive and are calling a ton. I feel like this hand needs FE both pre and post to show much profit by raising.
If we want to get stacks in vs fish we have to raise pre. They are generally so passive that we have to be the ones building a pot.

Limping doesn't achieve this.
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03-31-2013 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverdiver
Which stats are you guy's using in your HUD? I know it's probably in here somewhere but I couldn't find it
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38.../#post37720451

Use advanced search. Search for posts not threads and search in SSPLO.

I found this that was posted recently but if you use advanced search function then you should be able to find more

Good luck
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03-31-2013 , 09:14 PM
Hey bompter , hour you're doing well buddy.

Question to all and sundry:
How come almost everyone's graphs seem to be below EV always? Even the biggest winners who post here seem to be below EV. Where is all this money going? Who's profiting from all these bad beats and how come we are almost always all running some amount of buy ins under over time?
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03-31-2013 , 11:26 PM
it all works its way up to jeans
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04-01-2013 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bompter
If we want to get stacks in vs fish we have to raise pre. They are generally so passive that we have to be the ones building a pot.

Limping doesn't achieve this.
+1 Even vs loose/passive calling stations we want to raise with our best hands. The times we miss and have to check/fold because they aren't folding is more than made up for in the times we flop a set or overpair+fd and get it in extremely good vs their marginal holding.
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04-01-2013 , 07:26 AM
Any 888 regulars here able to explain how their vip rewards program works in terms of rakeback?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using 2+2 Forums
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04-01-2013 , 08:42 AM
$1 in rake = 2 Status Points (it's very well hidden at the site).

Monthly rake:
$0+ - 2%
$250+ - 4%
$750+ - 9%
$2250+ - 18%

Yearly rake:
$30K+ ($2500+/month) - 27%
$300K ($25K/month lol) - 36%

Monthly statuses are preserved till the end of the month following after the one when they were earned. Yearly ones - for 12 months upon earning (till the last day of the corresponding month).

There are also VIP freerolls whose value I can't retrieve but it's likely thin.

No affiliate promos or under-the-table deals since February.

Anyway, don't play on 888, there were several cases of unfair chip dumping accusations, also they're known to block for ID verification right while the victim is playing an MTT (search in Internet Poker).
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04-01-2013 , 09:37 AM
Excuse my ignorance but what is chip dumping?

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04-01-2013 , 09:42 AM
You want to transfer x amount to your mate.

You play HU while on Skype.

Your mate flops the nuts. You have nothing. You ship $$$. Your mate wins.

Money transferred.

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04-01-2013 , 10:17 AM
I read that stars is bad for micro plo. What site would you recommend for 2 & 5nl player? I have Unibet and Carbon on my mind.
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04-01-2013 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
I read that stars is bad for micro plo. What site would you recommend for 2 & 5nl player? I have Unibet and Carbon on my mind.
iPoker with rb deal ainec
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04-01-2013 , 10:27 AM
Okay i think affli/rb forum is the way to go.
Can you give me short faq on "deal"? How does it differ from vip program?
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04-01-2013 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Okay i think affli/rb forum is the way to go.
Can you give me short faq on "deal"? How does it differ from vip program?
You get a flat amount of rb paid every week or month at a much higher %age than you would get from the VIP system grinding micros.

Affiliate forum is the way to go.

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04-02-2013 , 12:50 PM
Trying to learn some basic PLO playing micros with no PFR. I'm getting pain with non-nut flushes. Are calls like this terrible? What's the max bet size you would call on the river?

iPoker - $0.04 PL Hi - Omaha Hi - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 101.75 BB
MP+1: 28.75 BB
CO: 22 BB
Hero (BTN): 66.5 BB
SB: 15 BB
BB: 67.5 BB
UTG: 181.25 BB
UTG+1: 438.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 T Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) Q A 9
SB checks, BB checks, MP+1 bets 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, BB calls 6 BB, MP+1 calls 5 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 3 players) 3
BB checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 23 BB, BB calls 23 BB, fold

River: (69 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 37.5 BB, Hero calls 36.5 BB

Spoiler:
Hero mucks 9 T Q Q (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 60%, Flop 50%, Turn 60%)
BB shows T J K 2 (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 40%, Flop 50%, Turn 40%)
BB wins 132.75 BB
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04-02-2013 , 02:09 PM
your hand is strong enough on the BTN to raise to iso limpers. with no reads on BB call is fine cos he bet small and didnt raise pf and we have second nuts. but him betting into us on the river when flush hits after calling flop and turn should ring alarm. flop and turn are ok i think.
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04-02-2013 , 07:09 PM
Ingame probably have to call his bet, unless he is a complete nit who only bets the nuts. The problem with calling is that we are hoping he has exactly the J hi flush, because most guys are are probably not value betting 8 hi or worse flushes. Unless he is a fish, then it's a mandatory call.

Wp by both players. He was going nowhere with his hand, k hi fd and wrap...

The max size I would call depends on whether he is a reg or a fish. Vs a nitty reg, I think you could find a fold. Vs a fish, I'm not sure you do fold. There are a lot of guys who overvalue bad flushes enough to make calling the right play, even if it's pot.
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04-02-2013 , 09:13 PM
i just realized its fullring. dont really know much about that but limping is more frequent there i guess
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04-03-2013 , 01:17 PM
very useful posts, keep it up ! x
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