Necessary bankroll depends on three parameters: winrate, standard deviation, and acceptable risk of ruin. We can make default assumptions about the stdev, but what good is "bankroll" advice without a ballpark estimate of your winrate? Or without knowing if you're willing to go broke 1/100 of the time, etc.?

I dont want to deposit more money. Dont know how good i am at PLO at lowstakes. I 5+ years ago i played NL50 / NL100 with ok results. Mostly played 12 tables rakebackgrind..
At that time i had 50 buyins or something in the account but that was because i played many tables. Now im gonna play like 4 tables and learn the game. Is the swings 20-30 buyins even as a winning player on microstakes you think?

Well, it still matters whether you're a massively winning player or a marginally winning player.

Online is not my area of expertise. Live, the opponents are atrocious, but the schooling of many atrocious opponents creates huge variance. It's almost like a mini tournament. Also "buyin" is a vague concept because PLO should and often does allow buyins from sub-100 BB to maybe 200, or uncapped in the bigger games.

In general with a little study I think you can beat a live $1-2-(5 to open-limp) game for enough that 20 * 100 -> 2000 bring ins ($10k) is enough to stay solvent 99% of the time, but that's just my guess.

Hi,
I played plo for the first time last night in a home game and have a few Qs. In one hand I had 66T8 and the board was 66T6K, I got a lil confused re the must play two cards and wasn't sure if I had quads or not? If so, does you kicker ever play/matter when you have one card quads etc? Also, any links/recs where I can learn how to read the board/my hands better in plo?
Thanks

I think you have something wrong there. You're showing five 6s visible in the deck.

Hwang's first book has some exercises and is well worth the read for a beginners' live PLO book.

Sorry about that..I had 6T48

OK. You're playing 666 off the board and 6T out of your hand. Your kicker technically plays but it's never salient because no one else can have the same quads.

You might be thinking of something like QQQQ5 on the board. In hold'em, everyone has quads and the hand(s) with the highest single card has quads with the best kicker. In Omaha you could only play three of the queens there, so the winner would be the biggest full house (i.e. has to be a pocket pair), or failing that, trip queens plus the highest two unpaired cards. Flushes and straights would be impossible on such a board.

Even trips on board tend to confuse a lot of people. JJJ85 -- You can't play a single 8 out of your hand and the 8 on the board for jacks full of eights, because you already have three playing cards on the board. You need two from your hand. However, on JJJK7 if you have pocket kings you can play the king off the board and two of the jacks, because kings full is likely your best possible hand.

Im playing Micros in a swedish site with a 200bb max buyin. What are The pros and cons buy in for 100 vs 200bb?
Are The swings bigger or smaller with 200bb? What would you guys do in my situation?

If you don't know how stack depth changes the game, are you sure you're one of the best players in the game? If not, buy in as short as you can, observe a lot, get some good training materials, and when you can answer your own question here, you might be ready to buy in deeper.

Hint #1: since effective stacks are determined pairwise by the shorter of the two stacks, if you have $1000 and the skill advantage and I have $100, your skill doesn't matter against me for the other $900.

Im not the best player.. But far from the worst. many fish buy in for 200bb. My question is really if the swings will be much bigger if i play 200bb from start instead of 100bb

So I have been playing both PLO and PLO8 for at least 10 years now, and I have developed a really strong online game where I crush the cash game tables at PLO$10 or $PLO25 for a month or so, then I go on a major tilt and blow it all after some bad beats by moving up to ridiculously high stakes like PLO$200 that I am not bankrolled for. Sound familiar?

Well, My goal is to not let that happen again, so I want to start posting results somewhere so I can feel like I am being held accountable if I blow the awesome results I am accumulating by moving up in stakes if I tilt. I feel like if I post results, I will be shamed if I blow my bankroll in front of everyone. Peer pressure will hopefully help me stay focused.

By the way, my PLO play for the past 1000 hands at PLO$25 has been the following:

Total Gains $422.46
Minutes 907
Hands 1052
$ per hour $27.95
bb/100 160.63

That is for PLO$25, and yes, that is insane crushing it. I typically play anywhere from half an hour to two hours per day, and I am playing single table with 6 max, usually up against at least 2 or more opponents. I like full tables the best. So I've just finished my 12th day in a row without a loss, and in the past I have run even longer without a loss.

I personally feel like there are a lot of players who could easily make 50bb/100 and earn $8/hr or better at $PLO25. Do any of you have some 1000 hand results for PLO$25? I feel like 160bb/100 is absolutely ridiculously high, but I am really just playing ABC poker mostly with just a few tricks thrown in every now and then and some patient play with a lot of note taking on opponents. That's it. The competition is so weak at $PLO25 that there has to be some players better than me that are able to pull in 200bb/100 for 1000 hands or more. I would love to talk to anyone that is doing that well or even 90bb/100, which is absolutely killing it.

I just moved this message thread to the Poker Blog where it belongs.

Hi how long does it take to solve hu plo?

So just 2 players, 100bb stacks plo4 hi and solve preflop.

I have 64gb ram with i9 processor

What is the best preflop omaha software also?

Monker is what most people use for solving Omaha, it has pre and postflop.

There's SimpleOmaha though I've never seen or heard of anyone using the Omaha version of it.

Does anyone have experience playing omaha8 sit and goes? Surely these are filled with tons of bad players, right? Haven't quite worked up the courage to hop into them yet.

Had the same problem like you and are reading right now the book from Jeff Hwang which I like a lot.

The 2+2 PLO stickies are also helpful (starting hands per position,...)

Hwang book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0818407263...s%2C222&sr=8-1

Just realized the OP's post was from 2020

that book is from 2008.. Are you able to beat plo2 with just that? it doesnt sound quite right.

I've played 100s and 200s, the game is easy as hell.

Hi I did some searching on 2p2 (honestly not a ton) and I couldn't find info on an Omaha Odds Calculator. I'm interested in the best one and don't mind paying for it.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oldschool, but i think Equilab is still the best and most convivient.
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-...equilab-omaha/

Pro Poker Tools 100%

I dont know where mirco plo thread is so figured start posting here.Ive play plo from back day on fulltilt and ps just got back into it last year.Ive been using chatgpt to break down my hands till I remember about this forum page.


Table 'Calpurnia IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mitchm232 ($12.58 in chips)
Seat 2: Neopheus8139 ($14.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Djthc333 ($9.43 in chips)
Seat 5: 1CASHMAN1 ($14.28 in chips)
Seat 6: Xvii77 ($6.47 in chips)
Xvii77: posts small blind $0.05
mitchm232: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neopheus8139 [8d Ah Ad Th]
Neopheus8139: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Djthc333: calls $0.30
1CASHMAN1: calls $0.30
Xvii77: folds
mitchm232: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5s 9d Kh]
mitchm232: checks
Neopheus8139: checks
Djthc333: bets $0.10
1CASHMAN1: calls $0.10
mitchm232: calls $0.10
Neopheus8139: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [5s 9d Kh] [Jd]
mitchm232: checks
Neopheus8139: bets $0.90
Djthc333: calls $0.90
1CASHMAN1: folds
mitchm232: calls $0.90
*** RIVER *** [5s 9d Kh Jd] [3c]
mitchm232: checks
Neopheus8139: bets $1.30
Djthc333: calls $1.30
mitchm232: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neopheus8139: shows [8d Ah Ad Th] (a pair of Aces)
Djthc333: shows [Jc 7c Kd Ts] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
Djthc333 collected $6.64 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.95 | Rake $0.31
Board [5s 9d Kh Jd 3c]
Seat 1: mitchm232 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Neopheus8139 showed [8d Ah Ad Th] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Djthc333 showed [Jc 7c Kd Ts] and won ($6.64) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 5: 1CASHMAN1 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Xvii77 (small blind) folded before Flop

My opponent djthc333 is your typical rec reg likes to see 3 cards does alot of cc and limping and other player cashman is not does play from time to time he does raise a little more does like to splash around.I am Neopheus8139.

Hi guys, I transitioned from NLH to PLO 2 months ago, I am facing some difficulties on how to approach my game , every single pot us a multiway pot, I tightened up my range playing stronger hands is this correct? also when I am BB and board comes low for example 483 I usually done 50% (maybe is quite similar to nlh) or I understand it that way, my range in BB is going to have lot more pocket pairs..

also, I know this is not the thread but I would like to contact any coach with experience (don't see anything semi- affordable or to trust on the seeking for coaching section)

bests!!

Lower stakes PLO is going to go multi-way most every hand .. that's just the way it is going to be. I type Players by Card Player, Gambler and Poker Player. Gamblers are drawn to PLO since it's harder to be dominated, thus the table ratio is tilted. The issue with Gamblers is they don't necessarily consider position, range or other factors as much as they should, even with 'enough' history against any Hero.

By tightening your range you become a Card Player .. and at a lot of tables that works out as long as you hit some Flops and hold. Donking too much is seen as a challenge to the rest of the table IMO, which is fine as long as you smashed the Board. But I think Donking is seen as a defensive bet, which will spur opponents to try and chase you down. PLO is a game of aggression and any actions you take when out of position can, and will be, challenged more often than you think they should be.

While I often jest with V who x/r for not 'betting their hand', this is the most powerful move in PLO since the bet size gets enhanced by whatever bet and calls occurred before it came back around. I'd like to say you should balance your Donks and x/r ratio and hand strengths, but unless your opponents are willing to take note it's just better to 'not' do either unless you're in a high equity spot.

You really have to image your opponents .. trying to play 'Poker' with the naked Ace of Flush may work on certain V whereas it's just a waste of time against others who will chase (and call down with) 9-high flushes when they also interact with pair/gutter spots.

PLO is a lot of fools gold, always offering decent Pot Odds to continue. The issue is that while your perceived Equity may qualify to continue, some/most of your outs will not win the hand even if you hit them. This is a stark difference from NL where, IMO, you can count on your outs more reliably. Lots of V don't care about 'dirty' outs, they only see outs, and this lends itself to the suck outs that Gamblers love to experience. GL

What is the best way to start learning PLO in 2024? Any idea what is a good software to use? RIO? Jnandez?