Is this spot ever a fold? I assume not heads up, but what about in a multi-way pot? Multi-way someone must have the straight and even then I'd still be getting the correct odds to continue with full house/nut flush draws.

I just ran the equity and pretty much worst case V has 6% equity advantage(assuming he doesn't have something like QKTT). So this is definitely not a fold, ever, right?

inb4 royal nit confirmed

Not a fold hu, and especially not multiway. You have nutty draws, so your equity is going to be relatively better the more people are in the pot.

Not sure about this, but ~never fold this on the flop. Just consider if you should raise or call.

Yeah, it will be.





Those ranges aren't perfect -- but I'm not going to spend ~10 minutes tweaking them just for a simple example.

Could you please post simulations in the 2+2 forum format next time, by clicking the green '2+2' link and copypasting the content of the box that opens? That would allow us to recreate and edit the sims in one click, instead of typing all those ranges out.

The problem is, what the spot is here: is it only the 3-bet pots or commonly multiway pots. I meant that this hand is not automaticly "the better the more players there are" (like AKxxhh would be). It's favourite in 3-bet hu pots, but the equity is not better in single raised multiway pots. And can't read your code, so please answer also with the words

bubo, that's a good point.

No, I won't post anything in 2+2 format; I don't like the way it looks. If I decide to share any sims, I might link to them.

Hi there,

I'm a mid-stake NLHE player trying to make the transition to PLO.
So far I worked through:

PLO from scratch

Next Generation PLO

This thread.

Some videos.


Any recommendations what I should do next to further improve my game? Thanks!

Thank you to coon74 for answering my question.

I will just roughly count the pot size when I get down to Aria to play.

Thanks again,

Sean

I would like to know if someone could tell me how much percentage of range is okay to openraise at PLO Zoom.

Like: Early Position about Top 10% of hands, MP 15.. CO maybe 25 and button 30-35, SB same... or far more.. far less.. would be nice if a plo zoom winning reg might be able to answer this by filter in his tracker or so..

Thanks a lot!

6max on plo is raked around $10 per 100 hands on average, a grinder playing 40k hands will rake $4k (on average) per month? that seems like a lot

Pretty easy to get to $4k rake per month...
Just checked my Poker Tracker and it says $540k overall rake. I just wish I had negotiated a single percentage point additional rakeback. Incredible how much that matters!

I would say that Zoom it not that different from normal tables except that you have to play a little more positional. People tend to fold their blinds more, maybe simply because of the fast fold button. Thus, strong players open 60-80% on the button. With two weak-tight blinds who fail to adjust, close to 100% may be right for a period of time. Lower than 60% is almost always less than optimal. CO is very player-dependent. Anything between 25% and 50% can be right. Stick to the lower end if the button 3bets a lot and if the blinds play back at you. Raise up to 60% with three weak-tight fish left to act. MP most winning players show 15-25%. UTG can be very low with most players somewhere within 10-20% but I have seen world-class players as low as 7%. SB is completely player-dependent.

I have the same question! Read those articles (really good, learned a lot more from them than vids on runitonce!

I can't find more articles, any way to search in this thread?

Hand 1:
Am I playing my SD too passively here? OTT I figure my trips are probably good, and I have lots of outs in case villain has a higher trips.


BTN: $19.59 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 6, 3B: 33, AF: 2,0, Hands: 18
SB: $20.42 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2,5, Hands: 157
BB: $6.16 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 4, AF: 4,5, Hands: 159
UTG: $12.90 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 7,3, Hands: 201
MP: $16.69 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2,0, Hands: 34
Hero (CO): $13.18 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2,6, Hands: 28713

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 7 8 J T
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $1.05, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) T 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.65, Hero calls $1.65

Turn: ($5.55) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.00, Hero raises to $10.48, BTN calls $7.48

River: ($26.51) 7 (2 players)

Hand 2:

Is shipping here better than taking the cheap card? Based on the action it looks like no one has a strong hand, and I certainly don't mind taking the large pot down uncontested.

Hero (BTN): $10.83 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2,6, Hands: 28713
SB: $16.12 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 9, AF: 10,0, Hands: 196
BB: $20.36 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2,0, Hands: 34
UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0,5, Hands: 9
MP: $9.18 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 23, 3B: 6, AF: 2,7, Hands: 90
CO: $16.39 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 2,8, Hands: 144

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 4 5 6 3
UTG raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, SB raises to $1.85, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.50) 2 7 4 (4 players)
SB bets $1.00, UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $8.98, SB folds, UTG calls $2.15 all in, MP folds

Turn: ($15.80) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($15.80) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

wp bot

Hi,

i am a bit confused here. If V was calling down w 52xx, JJxx, 22xx or 55xx, that's not good news... If V has a missed draw, then it's better to bet small??

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players

BTN: $5.32
SB: $1.16
BB: $1.92
Hero (UTG): $1.92
MP: $2.31
CO: $3.72

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A 4 3 A
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) 2 J 5 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP folds, CO calls $0.20, SB folds

Turn: ($0.66) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, CO calls $0.64

River: ($1.94) 5 (2 players)
Hero ??

If villain has a missed draw then he obv won't call so betting accomplishes nothing. The 5 putting a pair there would mean that even his low two-pairs got counterfeited so unless he made trips it might be hard to get value from his weaker hands. If you think he would bet his missed draws then it might be good to check it to him. The flop wasn't drawy though, it would help if we knew somehting about our opponents. I mean if he is 80+ VPIP then I'd might bet the river or at least check-call if he is aggressive, while if he is a 18/12 style reg then I might check-fold the river as I wouldn't assume that a tight reg would be calling with a low wrap (which beats us now too if he has a 6-high straight) and assume he has jacks-full.

Hi,
ty, Bot. And another hand i played @ zoom so no reads. I guess Villain would not donk w KTxx OTF so i should have raised OTR ?
At the micros what range of hands would you put villain on?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi

Hero (BTN): $2.20
SB: $2.00
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.99
MP: $1.86
CO: $1.63

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 8 Q T J
1 fold, MP raises to $0.07, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.28) 5 Q 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.13, MP calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.13, SB folds

Turn: ($0.67) J (3 players)
BB bets $0.32, MP calls $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

River: ($1.63) 4 (3 players)
BB bets $0.79, MP folds, Hero ??

I think valuetowning vs KT is a bigger risk than not getting extra from non-str8s. Just call.

The only reason we would want to raise here is because of villain's bet sizing. But since you are readless I think it would be a mistake to make too many assumptions about that. And calling is definitely the std play

As a general rule, if you bet flop on a straight board with top or middle set heads up or 3-way, are you folding to a pot size raise, in particular a check raise?

Assuming you have not seen V pot you and have no reason to believe he does not have the straight he is representing.

I seem to be losing the most amount of money with middle or top set on flop or turn when the board has a straight possibility. Starting to think I am not letting go of enough sets and they may not be as important in PLO as I thought. 90% of the time V has the straight flopped in this spot and I should start buying their story instead of drawing for a boat, since it's likely I am beat.

Now if I have a flush draw and top/middle set, then I should obviously be getting it in, right?

Raise pre-flop, raise flop!

@bm303:

Your analysis is correct in most circumstances, particularly OTT.

set+FD vs str8 OTT is ~40%, so it's rarely a mistake to get it in. b/c to play river perfectly is pretty std and usually correct

Thanks for your answers. I am failing hard at plo5zoom and moved down to be a little less money scared and it helped me a lot. The rake is obv insane, but tbh i dont care, just wanna learn plo and the skill is the same, all people are braindead on 2 and 5.

Question: http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...ot-limit-omaha

according to PTR the plo2 rake on Stars is capped at 0.50c, does this apply to zoom aswell? I couldnt find it on the PokerStars website. Whats the PLO2 Zoom rake in bb/100? Or better, anyone has an overview over all PLO Zoom stakes and rakes?

Thanks a lot!