[OFFICIAL] SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat - Page 52 - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

Hey guys, I've read through a lot of this and see some good links to get great advice, but mostly for 6-max and very general stuff. I want to know specific things for heads up PLO. What kind of stats does is a solid PLO heads up reg going to have? vpip-sb? vpip-bb? steal? 3bet? 4bet? fv4b? Are you ever folding to a 3bet heads up in PLO? (especially when a guy is 3betting you 30-40+%? What are the best PLO HEADS UP videos out there for beginners?

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05-27-2013 , 08:05 PM

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GoGetaRealJob

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...uests-1157604/

Ur welcome

Think I need to add this to the Grand Digest

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05-28-2013 , 12:20 PM

#1279

d0nk3y

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Originally Posted by ThePressure

why cant rolls be built from PLO5? just too much rake and ridiculous calls making it too swingy?

huge rake and no rakeback is a bad combo.

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05-28-2013 , 01:55 PM

#1280

ThePressure

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

I'd imagine a competent player only ever limps a few raggy big pairs from EP, potentially some disconnected suited aces too in a soft game. so like 3%?

first of all, anything below PLO10 is just to get a feel for the game, not building a roll. unless u got an insane RB-deal and run like god, obv

If you can spare a hundo/month reloads for poker, just take aggressive shots at PLO10 until u start running better. Or as high as you can afford, really

if you wanna be conservative with ur BRM even this low, play NL. less rake, less variance

so are you saying its maybe better to build a roll outside of Omaha and learn at a higher PLO rate?

Is this purely down to the rake?

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05-28-2013 , 02:57 PM

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Fishtankz

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If you have a good rakeback deal then it's fine to learn the game in low limits. But we don't want to stay in plo2 or plo4, move up asap.
If you are bronzestar or something similar, don't bother :P

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05-28-2013 , 03:28 PM

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GoGetaRealJob

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Yup, that's the gist of it

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05-29-2013 , 04:36 AM

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Hustle247

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What type of WR can a good player expect to make in PLO compared to NLH in a live setting. It has been said that if you are able to make 10bb/hr in live NLH you are crushing the game. What can a player who is crushing the game expect to make in a similar PLO game?

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05-29-2013 , 09:35 AM

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DickeLatte

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hustle, no idea tbh, but it should be even more especially when you're playing really deep (which is kinda standard for live PLO).

let's wait for the live plrs to provide some actual numbers

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05-29-2013 , 11:20 AM

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JudgeHoldem1848

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Originally Posted by d0nk3y

huge rake and no rakeback is a bad combo.

Are the first and second tiers of SN sufficient to have a solid wr for HUPLO50?

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05-29-2013 , 01:06 PM

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Hustle247

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Originally Posted by DickeLatte

hustle, no idea tbh, but it should be even more especially when you're playing really deep (which is kinda standard for live PLO).

let's wait for the live plrs to provide some actual numbers

Thank you for your response. I greatly appreciate it. Hopefully one of them can provide a specific number.

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05-29-2013 , 03:54 PM

#1287

GoGetaRealJob

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I wouldn't hold my breath while expecting live pros to stumble on this thread, lol

I suggest you post in the "live PLO advice" -thread, I can get you a link later if you can't find it with search

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05-29-2013 , 05:46 PM

#1288

Hustle247

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Found it and subscribed! Thanks for the advice!

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05-29-2013 , 06:33 PM

#1289

GoGetaRealJob

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05-29-2013 , 06:53 PM

#1290

ThePressure

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I presume itsreccomended to watch some training videos yeah ?

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05-29-2013 , 07:01 PM

#1291

GoGetaRealJob

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I'm kinda biased to answer that these days, lol, but I guess most here will agree with me when I say yes.

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05-30-2013 , 02:51 PM

#1292

NeA

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Can someone please explain to me why this guy has almost 34% equity on the flop vs my hand? This hand tilted the **** out of me and left me dumbfounded, hence the reason I am posting here.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

Preflop: Villain has 5

Flop: 7

(2 players)

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05-30-2013 , 03:12 PM

#1293

bompter

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Originally Posted by NeA

Preflop: Villain has 5

Flop: 7

(2 players)

Back door flush.2x Back door straight. Trip and 2 pair outs. I assume he called a 4b and stacked.

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05-30-2013 , 03:54 PM

#1294

Aesah

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using the shortcut rule of outs times 4 (or outs times 2 on the turn), he has 8 outs (3 fives, 3 twos, and 2 fours) times 4 = 32%.

Rule isn't as accurate in PLO due to... well 4 cards obviously, but it's close enough.

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05-30-2013 , 08:02 PM

#1295

cizzo91

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hey guys,

i've read some articles about improving in plo from GGARJ, napsus and some other from the "ssplo grand digest" thread and read that i should try to get a good rakeback-deal in order to play/start plo. so for now i've got 70 BI's for plo25 and I'm goldstar at stars, so do you think the rakeback is sufficient ? usually i'm playing the ht-husng's on stars which i will continue to play but i really love plo and want to learn that game.
unsexy: I'm playing on a mac and i don't find any good sites with nice rb-deals that i could take where i didn't already played at.

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05-30-2013 , 09:18 PM

#1296

GoGetaRealJob

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How close are you to Supernova? If you can get there you should be ok. Prob a bit of a stretch though.

If not, use the 2+2 VIP deal application form to get PMs from a bunch of affiliates

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05-31-2013 , 06:36 AM

#1297

cizzo91

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thanks for your quick replay GGARJ! I'm not even close to supernova (still 95k). is it even possible to get supernova on plo25 ? how many hands do i have to play for that?

ok thanks for your advise, i'll try to get a good deal

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05-31-2013 , 06:45 AM

#1298

coon74

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It's definitely possible: about 16 bb/100 is paid in rake at PLO25 on average (that depends on the player), SN requires $18181.82 a year in rake, hence 450K hands a year, or 38K a month, at PLO25. It's definitely too late for you to make it this year after 5 months have passed, but next year it will be doable. But even as a SN one needs probably better table selection skills than on small networks where a bigger share of tables is playable. Only as a SNE (10x bigger rake, which is impossible for most, I'd say even double SN requires playing at some too reggy tables) can one really enjoy playing at Stars.

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05-31-2013 , 06:51 AM

#1299

DepositBonusKing

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Wow, I guess my noooobness is showing. I didn't realise rake was such a big problem as it is in PLO... what do you regs think about PLO100 zoom... what sort of rake am I paying here, expressed as bb/100. And do I really have to make it to supernova to make it generally a +ev situation trying to grind zoom.

Thanks in advance.

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05-31-2013 , 07:04 AM

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coon74

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I paid about 8 bb/100 at iPoker PLO100 reg tables over a tiny sample, so I guess it's like 7 bb/100 at PLOZ100... wait until PLOZ100 regs correct me. But you're capable of making SN (it's a must) this year 2-tabling PLOZ100 even if you have few VPPs right now.

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