Then why u mad?

Nevermind.

Sappie22 on tilt ITT

Oh come on seaking, u cant be serious when u say ur running bad in tourneys, u have about 10 FTs in 2k+ playerpool tours, and this in less than 1500 tourneys altogether (which is such a smal sample,lol), if u dont think thats running good idk what world ur living in tbh.
It would be fun to see u experience REAL variance in mtts, e.g having 2k+ games BE stretches or something like that

Here's where I generally say something Mod-ly and everybody calms the **** down.

this one was good and hilarious, almost had coffee coming through my nose.
note: never read bbv and sip coffee at the same time

I just think Seaking needs to be abit humble. It's obvious you're a talented poker player, but theres no need to treat everyone with so much contempt.

I think there's also a common misconception that it's impossible to be both good and lucky.

Not gonna work because of the profanity filter...

I will back up SeaKing on the run bad, not last week but the two weeks prior to that, he honestly did have very very bad run. I nearly had to put him on ignore due to all the bad beats, they were starting to tilt me :P

But yea, he did have a really bad two weeks.

Oh yea, doomswitch has hit Napsus in NHL11. 4-1 game win and 2-0 on the fights win for me - 2 game winning streak yay

my session yesterday. wasn't playing that well to begin with but still sort of ridiculous. hopefully some run good will come after posting this.

ah sorry, took it away, my bad.

duuuuuuude, i ran so bad. or skated so bad actually.
we're on tonight?
i need to work on my powerplay.
your nitty defence kills me.

The vast majority of MTTs that I play on stars are < $20 buyins and on FT < $30, I'm not sure you realize how massive my edge is in these large field events when a lot of players are just absolutely terrible, I'm probably in the top 98 percentile when I play on Stars and top 95 percentile when I play on FT (lots of decent players play the $26 tourneys as there is a ton of value in them). Obviously my edge is smaller in $55s and $109s and don't have that great of a sample to go on, especially when you take into account how many times I've gotten boned playing them. 1st place is normally around 18x more than 9th place and 50x 25th place in a lot of MTTs, so until you make a final table at a given buyin level you are typically going to be a loser at that level.

My deepish run in the sunday million didn't even include any major aipf suck outs (ie winning an 18/82 which is the way I basically busted, with my KK vs villains TT). I had doubled up early under 30 hands in after limping behind a UTG limper with QQ as I made a read that some players were ready to blow up and sure enough there was one more limper behind me and SB shipped his entire stack from the SB with JJ and obv I snap called because most players wouldn't ever play AA or KK this way and it was pretty smooth sailing from there. Later on some donk limped on the button with AA and I completed T7s from the SB and had turned trips and he wanted to go with his hand, he played his hand like a moron and paid the price, after this hand I had a very sizable stack and went on a roll. Sure I won some races in the tourney as does almost anyone who makes the top 25% of the field, but iirc my entire stack was never at risk in the tournament until my bust out hand (was money fav but w/e ).

I've done the math for a bunch of situations and not going to share it (easy as hell to do yourself if you know how to use excel), if you get your money in 12 times with 65% equity aipf in a field of 4K players, and double up each time (i.e. get your money in vs a bigger stack) you will win the MTT over 1/200 times (.5%) assuming other players are eliminating players at the same rate as you. This doesn't even account for your edge in winning pots without showdown.

Johan why would it be fun for me to experience "REAL" mtt variance? Are you a ****ing ******... I already have. Also do you play on FT? Don't need to give out your name (if it's not know), just wondering.

I just looked up your tourney results on OPR and noticed that your average field size and avg bi are ~1/2 mine, its much easier to have > 100% roi in larger field tournaments. Just take a look at conceivable winrates for HU SNGs and 9 handed SNGs, which are essentially 2 person and 9 person tournaments respectively. Obviously my ROI is going to be much higher as well because I understand the overall skills needed to do well in MTTs a lot better than you (no offense, but you can't really argue the other side here). Blind stealing, table image, stack sizes, shove/call ranges, better play at all stack sizes, better hand reading etc.

I've run ridiculously bad at MTTs when the play has gotten down to < 4 handed (difference between 4th and 1st is enormous) and I could pretty much tell you exactly how each HU I've played went down and had players get their entire stack in multiple times as a dog only for my hand not to hold up. The only time I didn't even have a chance HU was in the 3r when I got to HU with over a 20:1 chip disadvantage and lost 44 vs QJo aipf the 1st hand, only reason I made it to HU with that big of a disadvantage was because the guy 3rd in chips made a terrible raise/call in the SB vs my shove in the BB, which left me with around 600K and both other players with ~6mirrion, next hand it was his BTN and he raised like 2.7 million otb (wtf?!?!?) and BB ended up having AK and shipping on him, the idiot BTN tanks down and eventually calls with A6o and loses which puts me HU 12MM to my 600K which is nearly impossible to win given how many bb we both had.

Not what was in the pic since I couldn't see it... the file title had **** in it so it wasn't working in the IMG tags.

You'd have to download, rename, and upload if you want to go to the trouble (and spoil it if there is profanity in the picture itself).

cool.
here we go, i this one

One thing we must understand to have a shot in this game is that you are never guarenteed anything and poker owes u nothing and there is no entitlement in this game.
Another thing is that instead focusing on the runbad and how you were supposed to win X amount of money, focus on the positives of winning Y amount of money and being able to make Z amount of money for living.

My 2cents.

Here, I took a screenshot of how bad I have been running (was playing too many tables as well and also had spewed off stacks going all in every hand when sitting at 6+ MTTs 2 or 3 times)



Pretty sure 12% is lower than the % of the field paid in a lot of the PokerStars tourneys which I played, it's pretty ridiculous for me to be cashing less than the average player in $20 tourneys.

Cool MTT life story bro
TL;DR

You being 98th percentile in these things I agree with but that doesnt guarantee you ****.

I will say however getting deep in these things isnt that difficult and in most cases yoy really dont need to ever get all in early on to do so. It does come down to who runs well in the late stages since money is obv so top heavy. I do feel ur pain there becuz that is more frustrating than anything. Id rather get knocked out 1st orbit. In the end tho you just gotta get deep and hope to run hot. Gottta win those flips mang. But seriously ur sample is tiny and u run well overall.

The Jante Law (Danish and Norwegian: Janteloven; Swedish: Jantelagen; Finnish: Janten laki; Faroese: Jantulógin) is a pattern of group behaviour towards individuals within Scandinavian communities, which negatively portrays and criticizes success and achievement as unworthy and inappropriate.

The Danish-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose in his novel A fugitive crosses his tracks (En flyktning krysser sitt spor, 1933, English translation published in the USA in 1936) identified the Jante Law as a series of rules. Sandemose's novel portrays the small Danish town Jante (modelled upon his native town Nykøbing Mors as it was at the beginning of the 20th century, but typical of all very small towns), where nobody is anonymous.[1]

Generally used colloquially as a sociological term to negatively describe an attitude towards individuality and success claimed to be common in Scandinavia, the term refers to a snide, jealous and narrow mentality which refuses to acknowledge individual effort and places all emphasis on the collective, while punishing those who stand out as achievers.

The term may be used by those individuals who feel they are not allowed to take credit for their achievements, or to point out their belief that another person is being overly critical.

Interesting (really - not being sarcastic).

Edit: It's not my fault, the Scandi made me do it?

2nd Edit: This is the BBV thread so a certain amount of "Woe is me" posting is standard. Where the line is between tolerable and "**** you, whiner" is is hard to say. In my other forum, we'd get guys posting about 60BB downswings (200 is where the line is between meh and "they happen"). We'd also get guys who'd bitch about their recent 80BB downswong, then post garphs showing they were still up 250BB. Those two cases were standardly derided. I'm not sure what the standard is for PLO, TBH.

3rd Edit: I either suck worse or have more run bad than all of you so there.

4th Edit: So what would it be (re: the bolded bit)? Idk how it relates to tourneys, but how many BI under AIEV is the minimum for "sorry bout your runbad, bro"?

I'm gonna keep my mouth shut in this whole thing cause it seems like it's always me who's playing the devil's advocate role and people can't stand to hear the truth when it's harsh, but this is basically the post that summarises the whole discussion.

+2, great post.

How do I not win a stack here? I don't tilt much, but this could be a solid trigger. Villain is a good reg

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $10(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,000)
BB ($1,281)
BTN ($892)

Dealt to Hero 2 8 2 8

fold, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $90, Hero calls $60

FLOP ($180) 6 8 Q

Hero checks, BB checks

TURN ($180) 6 8 Q T

Hero checks, BB checks

RIVER ($180) 6 8 Q T 9

Hero checks, BB checks

BB shows 5 5 6 6
(Pre 40%, Flop 12.9%, Turn 2.5%)

Hero shows 2 8 2 8
(Pre 60%, Flop 87.1%, Turn 97.5%)

Hero wins $178

Lol his flop check is atrocious.