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06-03-2010 , 06:21 PM
10.000 reply^^

Today...

Full Tilt Poker $2.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $2.44
BB: $2.57
UTG: $2.90
MP: $2.66
CO: $2.99

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with T 6 6 5
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.09) 6 9 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.09, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.27) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.27, CO raises to $1.08, Hero raises to $1.89, CO calls $0.81

River: ($4.05) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $4.05
Hero shows T 6 6 5
CO shows Q T 6 Q
CO wins $3.78
(Rake: $0.27)

Happy to be nearly break even for the day. Always when I got a set someone else got the over set...

Last edited by dj_fisker; 06-03-2010 at 06:34 PM.
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06-03-2010 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by black666
Biggest pot I've lost until today. "Funny" thing: it was a shallow 20-50BB buyin table.

FML

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $86.00
Hero (BTN): $294.25
SB: $115.90
BB: $335.00
UTG: $50.00
MP: $18.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with A K A 7
1 fold, MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7.50, BB calls $7, MP calls $5, CO raises to $48, Hero raises to $168, 1 fold, BB calls $160, MP calls $10.70 all in, CO calls $38 all in

Flop: ($448.70) 7 3 9 (4 players - 2 are all in)
BB bets $167 all in, Hero calls $126.25 all in

Turn: ($701.20) J (4 players - 4 are all in)

River: ($701.20) Q (4 players - 4 are all in)

Final Pot: $701.20
CO shows 4 6 5 2 (high card Queen)
Hero shows A K A 7 (a pair of Aces)
BB shows 9 T A 8 (a straight, Eight to Queen)
MP shows 5 K K 2 (a pair of Kings)
BB wins $416.50
BB wins $201.90
BB wins $79.80
(Rake: $3.00)
wow... just did a pf equity calc .. how can the BB have the highest equity with 33% and I only have 28%? Sure, he has connected cards, but the ace in his hands decreases his chance to make two pair. I'm always instafolding hands with an ace (or a pair) in it when someone cleary has AA.

Happened to me a lot today .. people hitting their dream flops after putting 50%+ of their stack in. Yet I called 3bets all day long trying to crack AA but only flop a backdoor gutsot draw at best lol.
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06-03-2010 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by IBETUFOLD33
I haven't played a hand of NL cash online in 2010, and have played < 5k hands since early 08. Considering making a prop bet that i could do 3+BB/100 for 50k+ hands in 2 weeks at 1/2NL. What odds should i get? I'm thinking 2-3:1.

i would probably bet up to 10k and give u 4 to 1. no way u can do this.
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06-03-2010 , 09:41 PM
you have 14 days to play 50k hands with a 3BB or 3bb winrate?
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06-03-2010 , 09:50 PM
it clearly says 3BB, if he meant 3bb he would have written 3bb.

not to be (overly) rude, as I am sure you are 'just making sure', but by doing so you are indirectly implying that he is an idiot, which he is not.
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06-03-2010 , 09:53 PM
although why the **** the standard lingo hasn't evolved to simply just big blinds by now makes no sense.

BB is a limit term. I bet if PTR used bb/100 only, it would be the standard within 6 months.
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06-04-2010 , 01:30 AM
whee this is what happens when i try to play holdem again after having switched to PLO

i had the best draw!

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($740)
BB ($481)
UTG ($751)
Hero ($521)
BTN ($78)

Dealt to Hero 2 A

fold, Hero raises to $14, BTN raises to $48, fold, BB calls $44, Hero calls $34

FLOP ($146) 6 9 7

BB bets $76, Hero raises to $374, BTN calls $30 (AI), BB raises to $433 (AI), Hero calls $59.50

TURN ($1,043) 6 9 7 A

RIVER ($1,043) 6 9 7 A 3

BTN shows J J
(Pre 18%, Flop 8.7%, Turn 4.8%)

BB shows K K
(Pre 55%, Flop 48.2%, Turn 2.4%)

Hero shows 2 A
(Pre 28%, Flop 43.1%, Turn 92.9%)

Hero wins $1,041

Last edited by DarkMagus; 06-04-2010 at 01:31 AM. Reason: potted on flop too for good measure
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06-04-2010 , 01:44 AM
BB plays bad
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06-04-2010 , 01:57 AM
yeah pretty spewy to get that much money in with KK w/ no sidecards
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06-04-2010 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pkrtxs
i would probably bet up to 10k and give u 4 to 1. no way u can do this.
Make sure you get 4 to 1 on his EV line and not actual winnings imo.
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06-04-2010 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkMagus
yeah pretty spewy to get that much money in with KK w/ no sidecards
I'm talking preflop

anyways
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06-04-2010 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by black666
wow... just did a pf equity calc .. how can the BB have the highest equity with 33% and I only have 28%? Sure, he has connected cards, but the ace in his hands decreases his chance to make two pair. I'm always instafolding hands with an ace (or a pair) in it when someone cleary has AA.

Happened to me a lot today .. people hitting their dream flops after putting 50%+ of their stack in. Yet I called 3bets all day long trying to crack AA but only flop a backdoor gutsot draw at best lol.
Multiway it's unlikely that the win will go to a two-pair hand, and he has the best chance of making a straight or a flush.
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06-04-2010 , 05:27 AM
I would just like to say, **** double pair hands and their supposed 25% chance of flopping sets. go **** yourselves, double pair hands.
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06-04-2010 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cobrastatus
I would just like to say, **** double pair hands and their supposed 25% chance of flopping sets. go **** yourselves, double pair hands.
I'm feeling ya.
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06-04-2010 , 07:55 AM
Yeah, I find that what tends to happen with them is that once every 8 hands you end up flopping 2 sets, and lose to a turned straight.
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06-04-2010 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Xr8ed
it clearly says 3BB, if he meant 3bb he would have written 3bb.

not to be (overly) rude, as I am sure you are 'just making sure', but by doing so you are indirectly implying that he is an idiot, which he is not.
sorry ibetufold33, calling you an idiot was not my intentions and i know you arent. i hate BB, it just adds confusion and i have had mix ups in the past, or pretty much every time i see BB.


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Originally Posted by cobrastatus
I would just like to say, **** double pair hands and their supposed 25% chance of flopping sets. go **** yourselves, double pair hands.
im trying to find a reason why this isnt true. like if everytime it is guaranteed someone else having your cards everytime and stuff like that because...

filtering 1-2 to 5-10 non HU it leaves me 468598 hands this year. i have had 4995 double pair hands in that sample.

set=765
full house=64
quads=13

total sets+ is 842 times out of 4995 is 16.856% i believe flopping a set in NL or with one pair is 13.33%?

using HEM i filtered any double paired hand 1-2 to 5-10 and non HU. then i filtered for hand value on flop was any set high, middle, and low. added that to flopped full house and then filtered for flopped quads and added that in. if i missed something some one let me know. lets crack this double pair hands why the hell we cant flop sets mystery.


also my double pair hands is 1.066% which seems high. the odds of being dealt a double paired hand are .52%?

can someone confirm the math/filtering in this post?
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06-04-2010 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mayor_haggar
Yeah, I find that what tends to happen with them is that once every 8 hands you end up flopping 2 sets, and lose to a turned straight.
would HEM miss this and say that is not flopping a set?
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06-04-2010 , 01:57 PM
I seriously don't know how long I can keep playing this ****ing game. I've built a nice roll over the last years playing MTTs. Playing PLO50/PLO100 I've now lost 30% of my br. I just can't beat the 80/40 and 60/5 fish.
I read this forum, I watch videos, I've read both books from Jeff Hwang and am now reading both Slotboom books .. I even got a coach from dc. Yet my graph keeps going down...
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06-04-2010 , 02:27 PM
This game sucks, just cannot believe he played his hand the way he did.

Full Tilt - $2 Ante $0.30 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

INVALID POS: $28.30
Hero (BB): $498.90
BTN: $342.55

Hero posts ante $0.30, BTN posts ante $0.30, INVALID POS posts ante $0.30, INVALID POS posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.90) Hero has Q J Q T

BTN raises to $7.90, fold, Hero calls $5.90

Flop: ($17.70, 2 players) 9 6 J
Hero checks, BTN bets $17.70, Hero raises to $70.80, BTN calls $53.10

Turn: ($159.30, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $152.00, BTN raises to $263.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $111.55

River: ($686.40, 2 players) 5

Hero shows Q J Q T (One Pair, Queens)
BTN shows 7 K 2 K (One Pair, Kings)
BTN wins $685.40
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06-04-2010 , 02:31 PM
Do pokervideo's w/o speech in it suck?
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06-04-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by black666
I seriously don't know how long I can keep playing this ****ing game. I've built a nice roll over the last years playing MTTs. Playing PLO50/PLO100 I've now lost 30% of my br. I just can't beat the 80/40 and 60/5 fish.
I read this forum, I watch videos, I've read both books from Jeff Hwang and am now reading both Slotboom books .. I even got a coach from dc. Yet my graph keeps going down...
move up where players respect your raises

hang in there **** turns around
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06-04-2010 , 03:08 PM
I just watched episode 11 of the last HSP season again were Daniel Negreanu lost his usual buyins to cooler hands. I also shipped $0.02 to KidPoker on PS to run good again. Feeling better now lol

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06-04-2010 , 04:18 PM
forget what I was saying about feeling better now.

just lost another 4 buyings. 2 against a 92/3 guy. this is so ugly.
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06-04-2010 , 04:39 PM
^ what stakes?
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06-04-2010 , 05:07 PM
I really should quit this stupid game. BB played 100/95 (no joke!!) over a sample size of several orbits. probably a high stakes player trying to dust off steam at lower limits.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $69.95
BB: $68.95
UTG: $20.00
CO: $58.10
Hero (BTN): $111.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 7 6 3 8
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $4, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 5 3 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6, BB raises to $35.90, UTG calls $10 all in, Hero raises to $107.10 all in, BB calls $29.05 all in

Turn: ($158.40) 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($158.40) Q (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $158.40
BB shows J 9 A 2 (a flush, Queen high)
UTG shows T K 8 7 (a pair of Fours)
Hero shows 7 6 3 8 (a flush, Queen high - lower cards)
BB wins $97.90
BB wins $58.50
(Rake: $2.00)
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