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03-04-2020 , 09:42 PM
Trying to play my way out of it. Hasn't been working good so far.
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03-04-2020 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mig
Card sharing could definitively be a plausible explanation but it is more often than not playing 3-4 handed top. A lot of the big grinders are clearly human imo.

I rarely see wtf hands being played. Often times all action is self explanatory but how likely is it that there are bot at 2/5 PLO fast forward ?

Not sure about the states of online bots for PLO, so I can't really say.

Anyone else experiencing massive under EV on party poker fastforward ?
It's not that you will see "out of line"-plays, it's simply sharing holecard information which leads to favourable draw plays.

The regs should compare.
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03-05-2020 , 07:58 PM
you must be getting cheated mig. don't know how else this could be possible. this is absurd.
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03-05-2020 , 10:46 PM
*** jesus mig.

it is so sick to the point i might don't believe that. you maybe deleted your winning hands lol
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03-05-2020 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by urubu222
*** jesus mig.

it is so sick to the point i might don't believe that. you maybe deleted your winning hands lol
Wanna take a 100k bet on it ? I'll give you access to my account.

You have no ****ing idea how depressing this **** is at this point. Either I am the unluckiest person player poker on earth with my 1 in ~10 Million run or there is foul's play on party poker and card sharing players.


Also, how many hands do you think I had to remove to get a chart like that ? There is about 325k hands on that chart. How many hands per month is humanly possible to play. Come on now
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03-05-2020 , 11:35 PM
fwiw I was thinking the same but didn't wanna insult you. It's hard to believe though I'm not accusing you of doctoring the graph, either.

If that's only Party and you suspect card sharing, not sure why you don't change sites.
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03-05-2020 , 11:46 PM
I wasn't suspecting anything when I started playing on party poker. With their promotions they have over 75-80% rakeback. Their games are really good, regs are really bad. I'm probably giving up at then end of this week. Not worth it anymore. I'm stuck over 50k after rackback.

Seriously my account is busted if anyone wants to download the 330k hands and see for himself I'd be more than willing todo that to prove nothing is doctored.
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03-06-2020 , 03:11 PM
Mig can contact suhepx on discord and he will see what he can do.

greets

tmy
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03-06-2020 , 04:12 PM
This indeed is sick...

i for sure couldnt handle s*it like that.
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03-06-2020 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mig
Wanna take a 100k bet on it ? I'll give you access to my account.

You have no ****ing idea how depressing this **** is at this point. Either I am the unluckiest person player poker on earth with my 1 in ~10 Million run or there is foul's play on party poker and card sharing players.


Also, how many hands do you think I had to remove to get a chart like that ? There is about 325k hands on that chart. How many hands per month is humanly possible to play. Come on now
no bets. as you see isolated think same. don't take personal I don't know you. i remember playnig with you years ago .

i also remember you posting 300 buy ins ev below years ago. sorry but it is hard to believe the same guy had 300 buy ins below ev run and then years later he runs 400bi below ev ? more chances it is a troll - that what I thought.

if both runs are true sorry it must be very depressing.
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03-06-2020 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by urubu222
no bets. as you see isolated think same. don't take personal I don't know you. i remember playnig with you years ago .

i also remember you posting 300 buy ins ev below years ago. sorry but it is hard to believe the same guy had 300 buy ins below ev run and then years later he runs 400bi below ev ? more chances it is a troll - that what I thought.

if both runs are true sorry it must be very depressing.
My offer still stand. I'll let you log in my account, you can download the hands for yourself directly on the site. Really sick of people thinking I'd have time to waste doctoring 350k hands. The rake race is ending in 3 days after that I'll take a break and empty my account to play on gg poker or ps.

A good reason I have never been able to climb the ladder is the couple bad runs I have had all my poker life. I'm handling them better than before but it's starting to really **** with my head right now.
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03-06-2020 , 07:38 PM
I believe him... It’s a very weird way to get attention if it’s a troll. The effort to make a graph like that is not worth the 5-6 posts/a few hundred views of sympathy.


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03-07-2020 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mig
My offer still stand. I'll let you log in my account, you can download the hands for yourself directly on the site. Really sick of people thinking I'd have time to waste doctoring 350k hands. The rake race is ending in 3 days after that I'll take a break and empty my account to play on gg poker or ps.

A good reason I have never been able to climb the ladder is the couple bad runs I have had all my poker life. I'm handling them better than before but it's starting to really **** with my head right now.
Would you mind uploading the hands or sending me them ? would love to take a look ( i am not accusing you of anything, but i'd really love to watch the hands) This is like when Shuller made his videos, ton of quality stuff.
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03-07-2020 , 09:54 AM
Mig u should play on PokerStars and do the all in cash out.
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03-07-2020 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
Mig u should play on PokerStars and do the all in cash out.
It's not free, is it?
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03-07-2020 , 03:11 PM
it costs u 1% of your equity I think, but that is a small price to pay to not run 300 buyins below ev
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03-07-2020 , 03:26 PM
Mig is a very sick man. I can't fathom logging in to play 8k hands on xth day down $40k+.
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03-07-2020 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
it costs u 1% of your equity I think, but that is a small price to pay to not run 300 buyins below ev


100% worth it for someone who is running like Mig.
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03-07-2020 , 11:22 PM
Update :

-425 BI below ev




For the none believers, a video on dropbox (700 mo) where I back up all my hands for the past 40 days from party poker directly and import in the new DB.


tinyurl /tmoxxa9

Also in the probability forum, someone made a simulation with the my latest stats and a run like that would be likely 1 in 45 Millions....
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03-08-2020 , 12:03 AM
Can't edit the post anymore. I uploaded the video directly to youtube. No more doctoring BS please hehe

https://youtu.be/qEVpC2qRIH4
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03-08-2020 , 03:56 AM
Whenever I run bad for a while and downswing a bunch I tell myself "Well, it's just variance, it gets better, just keep playing, you know this" - then a secondary annoying voice enters my head and says "yeah but you can literally be unlucky FOREVER, the bottom 1 in 10 million is going to go on runs that NEVER END"

and then I still keep playing, and start winning again eventually

Mig doesn't, he's that actual bottom run. lul
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03-08-2020 , 06:07 AM
There's just no way that is real.

For starters it's unlikely that you can not play online for two years and immediately crush 2/5 ff (in ev).

Second, why would you deposit over 50k to play 2/5 when you just keep losing every day? Why did you not get suspicious? There is lots of action on several other sites.

Third, your ev line actually increases as you play more. Are you the Dali Lama? How in the world could you play better and not tilt your brain off when you are literally having the worst run in the history of poker?

And this is the second time it's happened? Gtfo

PS Poker gods please don't doomswitch me for this post.
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03-08-2020 , 06:57 AM
fwiw, after uploading SAME partypoker files to HEM2 and HEM3, they show 30bi difference in EV adj. (about 50k hands, hm3 shows ~300 hands more)
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03-08-2020 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by krolewicz
fwiw, after uploading SAME partypoker files to HEM2 and HEM3, they show 30bi difference in EV adj. (about 50k hands, hm3 shows ~300 hands more)
HEM 3 has a patch for Run it twice hands I believe
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03-08-2020 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP
There's just no way that is real.
You sound like a flat earther or climate change denier.

If you had taken the time to read 2-3 posts over yours, you would have sounded less stupid.

I downloaded cam studio and recorded myself downloading the complete hands histories directly from party poker website and importing them right away in a new HEM database and then showing the chart.

You can find the youtube link here : https://youtu.be/qEVpC2qRIH4

Cliff notes : It's ****ing real

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Originally Posted by TheMVP
For starters it's unlikely that you can not play online for two years and immediately crush 2/5 ff (in ev).
Because you cannot do it doesn't mean others can't. I have been playing for 15 years, 12-24 tables at the same time. I feel games are actually softer than 2 years ago and I was beating the game mass multi tabling then for 3bb/100

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Second, why would you deposit over 50k to play 2/5 when you just keep losing every day? Why did you not get suspicious? There is lots of action on several other sites.
Bad runs happen, you have to stick it in and keep playing. I started getting suspicious when I hit a 1 in 1 Million chance of this happening.

Also Party Poker has around 100% Rake back with their promotion. That makes a huge difference on anyone's perceived win rate.

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Originally Posted by TheMVP
Third, your ev line actually increases as you play more. Are you the Dali Lama? How in the world could you play better and not tilt your brain off when you are literally having the worst run in the history of poker?
Like you can see on the chart, my last 100k hands (~7 days) have been breaking even. I have been having a mental break down last week. I'll probably drop down in stakes here as I cannot bear this anymore.

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Originally Posted by TheMVP
And this is the second time it's happened? Gtfo
The first bad run wasn't even that spectacular. It was around 1 in 1000.
This one is 1 in 45 Millions according to calculations someone made in the probability forum. Or according to poker dope 0.0000%

Also some people have won the lottery twice in their lifes, or got struck by the lightning twice. But you are probably denying that too. Easy to put BS on a forum, much harder to refute it.

Next time please take the time to read before wasting your breath
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