I'm exaggerating a bit, but I definitely had 3 or 4 40-50 BI losing sessions this year. You know when villains have sets or TP+NFD+ like 80% time in 3 and 4 bet pots, that sort of thing.

But yeah you're probably right, the main problem is that my old tilt problems are back though.

Yeah jesus 50-100 buyins in a session is ABSURD. I've played 5m+ hands of PLO and i've never had a session where i've lost that much and I know lots of others who also haven't had those sort of extreme sessions over millions of hands. If you're having them routinely then you're definitely doing something wrong - probably some sort of mental game issue and you're not playing your best, maybe setting a stop loss or taking some time away from the tables to work on your game would be good for you.

50 buyins is fine for someone wanting to be aggressive with their BR management, and 100 is very reasonable as a conservative rule. Obviously things change a lot depending on your circumstances and if you're 4-8 tabling zoom and not wanting to drop down in stakes then several hundred BIs is probably prudent.

For most players working their way up though I generally recommend playing fewer tables, probably setting a stop loss, and dropping stakes if they go on any sort of a significant downswing. If you do that you can be fairly aggressive in moving up in stakes which i'm pretty much convinced is the way to go for the majority of people.

Roy, I've noticed time and time again that we have Very similar views on all poker-related things. Kinda scary to be honest

^Yeah I wasn't having a dig Roy, I agree with most of that and it's fine for most players; it just made me laugh, that's all. I'm far from typical, a session for me can easily be 10k hands and like I said I was exaggerating a bit...

Have enjoyed your stream the few times I've watched it btw

Haha i've noticed too.



Thanks man. Yeah I didn't think you were having a dig, I just wanted to clarify why I thought 50-100 is reasonable so that people wouldn't read your post and then start saving for 400 buyins to move up from PLO10

And yeah 10k hand sessions are pretty ridiculous, and there are definitely people who have swings as big as yours out there (lex comes to mind).

@skimmy
How many bis did you lost in the last 700k hands?
If its more like 500 bis how can you believe you will ever make it back?
It seems like more you are the fish in the game ..

benni has spoken

Hi

192.

I had two full years before this 4-8 tabling Zoom 100-500 and making SNE and some that were both +ve pre-rakeback. After rakeback, I am only something like 10k down this year. It's not good to think about "getting it back" or "getting even", all I can do is try and play my best. I am fine, my bankroll has taken a bit of a hit but nothing too serious, but thanks for asking anyway.

There's a decent chance I'll decide to quit poker next year regardless of what happens, I turned 40 this year and running out of time to get back to the real world, even though I still do a bit of freelance web development work now and again. It's not an industry you can be out of for too long, technology moves fast. Poker isn't getting any easier and it's still not clear what's gonna happen to SNE next year, also I'm pretty pissed off with Stars for their stance on the rake and certain things related specifically to UK players. I'll still play for fun now and again though, which is something I can't say I've done for a few years :/

In January I definitely was not +EV in the games, that was after an extended break and I should have started again at lower stakes. Probably I was a bit overconfident/arrogant after two decent years and made a lot of mistakes, including some fundamental ones which is pretty unlike me.

Since then I've been playing *ok*, but far from my best and tilting too often (I used to have huge tilt issues before the last two years and was a (marginal) losing player but had pretty much sorted them out, having a kid helps with that ). IMO I am not worse than most of the regs at PLO200 and will be staying away from 500 for a while until I have my confidence back.

Huh, i have a 4000-5000 bb's losing day's like ones a quarter. Lost 4500bb's yesterday, running 4000 below ev... How the **** can you avoid those? Guess by setting a stoploss, but else? Strange for Roy to never experience those in 5m hands...

Guess both me and shimmy play way more hands/day, higher variance style and are way more prone to tilt, but still...

by running godlike? average stack depth should be a big factor too.

What are you planning to do with your life with 40tys and not much of real world job experience also working in the real world is not fun.
You get paid badly and have to work fully 5 to 9

LOL, I worked in the real world for 10 years, didn't start playing poker till I was 32. Have been doing freelance work on and off since then, too.

I'm a programmer / web developer and, believe it or not, actually enjoy that work most of the time. I have two degrees and plenty of contacts. Was also thinking about training as a chef, although I know the hours are pretty bad there

If -40BI days happen from time to time, do +40BI days also occur? Cuz i've had the former a couple of times but never the latter...

sounds like you'll do just fine! i found it somewhat funny you mentioned bad hours working as a chef considering you've been SNE x amount of times.

this isn't a jab, quite the contrary actually, but you've got to be one of the oldest SNEs right?

@Joeri
Your styles are pretty different imo, 4000bb losing days sounds quite crazy tbh

@shimmy
Hate to be that guy, especially to a fellow gunner, but have you considered lowering the volume in order to optimize your gameplan/theoretical approach to the game a bit?


Also, how the F is Benni not banned?!

Yeah they do, just not as often because of

I've maybe had a couple of days where i've lost 4000-5000bbs but never in a single session. Generally if i'm getting slaughtered and am down 20 buyins i'll take a break and clear my head to make sure i'm playing well. Then if i come back and start getting killed again i'll probably stop soon after. It might hurt my overall volume slightly but I doubt i'm ever playing my best when i'm down 25+ buyins. The only exceptions are when the games are very good in which case i'll force myself to stick around but be very aware that i've been losing and try even harder to make sure i'm playing well.

Also the average stack depth is a factor, sure. I probably play shallow stacked more than most (I certainly did 2+ years ago) and I generally don't play the deep ante tables much. 4000-5000bb swings at the deep tables doesn't seem anywhere near as absurd.

haha, I just love cooking, not looked into it seriously. Gotta be a difference between being in a hot kitchen for 12 hours a day rather than sitting in my comfy desk chair / lying on the sofa though, right?

Def not the oldest, but probably one of them, yeah. Anyways I'm a "young" 40, spent most of the last ten years making up for the lost time in my 20s when I was stuck in a failed relationship



Yeah, I've been autopiloting too much, which worked last year but people are getting better pretty quick. I'm gonna play only 4 tables for a while and pay more attention / try and exploit people. You prob won't believe me but I have ZERO notes on any players, except for the odd green circle = fish in a few places.

Actually I hadn't checked the forum for a while and just checked the last few pages of this thread - seems like it's not just me, jesus, who is getting all the EV FFS?

brazilians ldo (machado comes to mind)

me
a little bit at least...

hehe, nothing ever new then

I've heard that rake in HU PLO50 is unbeatable and people should just move up to PLO100, how true is this

not true
unless you 100% reghunt

How do you do that? I think I´m the worst tilt monkey on planet earth so I just looked up my database and the worst session I could find was something like -35 BI while 12-tabling (5,000 hands). Other than that, the worst I could find was -20 BI (and I´ve had those quite a bit). I really don´t understand how a guy who has made SNE before would ever do this to himself (let alone do it repeatedly).

Just get yourself Tiltbreaker and set it up so you´re done for the day once you´re down -20 BI or so. This should save you a lot of money in the long run.

how much are you up lifetime at omaha?