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02-23-2014 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by J0hny
Hero (BB): $647.73
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Originally Posted by J0hny
Hero (BTN/SB): $241.46


This is the **** that gets me. If there's one part of my game I want to work on it's continuing to play when I get deep. Especially if I get deep early. I know you won it back but damn how do you stomach it if you were to lose it all? **** I would be sick if I lost what you did from where you were. This ****ing game man has so many roller coasters in it that once I get 3-400BB deep my game changes and I become a nit. I'll play all day if I'm losing but once I win I'm ****ing gone, haha. I hate it but for the life of me I can't seem to make myself stay and try and get a 1,000BB stack.
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02-23-2014 , 08:22 PM
Doesn't feel very good to lose this kind of hands indeed, but try to keep a cool head.

Poker Stars $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $309.55
BTN/SB: $151.66

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 6 A 4 A
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB raises to $13.50, Hero raises to $40.50, BTN/SB calls $27

Flop: ($81.00) Q A 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $80.50, BTN/SB calls $80.50

Turn: ($242.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $188.55, BTN/SB calls $30.66 all in

River: ($303.32) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $303.32
Hero shows 6 A 4 A
BTN/SB shows Q 9 5 8
BTN/SB wins $302.82

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02-23-2014 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemay002
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yes, i am aware of this fact. im just incredibly frustrated .that was also like 2 years ago. this past year has been terrible. I have O confidence in my poker game and i find myself to be a much better player than i was in years past. yet, PLO has evolved so much over that time span and i find myself struggling to break even in the small stakes. This game has just caused me so much immense frustration and grief that i simply dont need in my life. Im a much happier person when i am not playing PLO. I have worked so hard at poker over the last 3-4 years and id hate to see myself donk it all off or waste away the next few years breaking even (thats the trend its going). im tired of breaking even/ losing and am not optimistic that it will turn around anytime soon. With all that being said,I believe its time for me to move on.

Last edited by hockeyhero31; 02-23-2014 at 10:42 PM.
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02-23-2014 , 10:39 PM
Evidence that the 'Call All-In adjusted' line isn't as reliable as people think (especially in PLO!).. Now where is that post explaining this line in good detail?

    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23989901

    BTN: $116.62 (233.2 bb)
    SB: $129 (258 bb)
    BB: $61.13 (122.3 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $50 (100 bb)
    MP: $62.78 (125.6 bb)
    CO: $62.40 (124.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K Q 6 A
    Hero raises to $1.75, MP folds, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.25

    Flop: ($12.75) 8 7 J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $10.50, Hero raises to $43.50, CO calls $33

    Turn: ($99.75) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.50 and is all-in, CO calls $0.50

    River: ($100.75) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $100.75 pot ($2.50 rake)
    Final Board: 8 7 J 5 7
    Hero showed K Q 6 A and won $98.25 ($48.25 net)
    CO showed J A 2 A and lost (-$50 net)

    *AI-adjusted +$48.25*



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    02-23-2014 , 10:44 PM
    Even in such cases, the AIEV remains unbiased, it just has bigger variance that if it was calculated on the flop. The cases when Hero hits a flush and Villains remains with zero equity are incorporated into the flop AIEV, as well as the cases when Hero doesn't hit and is a 25/75 underdog on the turn, it has all the same expectation as the turn AIEV averaged for all turn cards (that we have no control of).

    The reason why regs get angry with someone 'spoiling their AIEV' is that because its increases the variance of the AIEV, and thus the amount of hands needed to obtain a confidence interval of a certain small width for the winrate.
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    02-23-2014 , 10:44 PM
    lovely flop bet sizing hockeyhero
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    02-23-2014 , 10:49 PM
    ^ Is it an appraisal of Stars' rake (which is the reason for the maximum possible bet being $21.49 instead of $22.50)?
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    02-23-2014 , 11:08 PM
    Std Sunday, lol



    up 17 > down 3 > up 17

    Really proud of my mindset throughout
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    02-23-2014 , 11:13 PM
    not that i lose most of my 50/50 60/40 85/15, also bricking almost every 3/4b pot with premium rundowns.

    never experienced anything quite like it in the last 3 1/2 years grinding the tables.

    how do you guys deal with downswings like that ? is this normal variance over that sample ? about 80 BIs under EV at the moment.

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    02-23-2014 , 11:24 PM
    paging Dr Eskimo...

    Reviewing your sessions often is a good way to remain confident in your game, downswings get under you skin for two main reasons:

    1. Aggressive BRM
    2. Insecurity about your game
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    02-23-2014 , 11:27 PM
    3. Insecurity about my real life imbalance
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    02-23-2014 , 11:35 PM
    /\

    + watch a few videos, read up on strat and take a few days/week off
    also, i cash out some to force me to move down in stakes and prevent larger losses. what do i know tho, ive played 500k hands of losing poker on stars.
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    02-23-2014 , 11:46 PM
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    Originally Posted by hockeyhero31
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    + watch a few videos, read up on strat and take a few days/week off
    also, i cash out some to force me to move down in stakes and prevent larger losses. what do i know tho, ive played 500k hands of losing poker on stars.
    i already moved down, and took couple of weeks off here and there. i feel im making the right decissions in a vacuum and thats all i can do isnt it ? but every time i get it in good i get a 10% / 15% bad beat.

    Its getting almost comical to the point that im questioning if pokerstars put me on a switch for abusing the fish at my level for 3 years...
    I can take a beat here and there but losing 30 out of 35 flips in a row is more than just weird. its not that its a small sample but how can someone deal with getting screwed constantly by the deck...

    btw, hokey, if i only had 10% of your rungood i would be the happiest camper in the world. not sure why you are always complaining, there are people who have it tough. be grateful for what you have, trust me its good...

    Last edited by bartolomeus; 02-24-2014 at 12:03 AM.
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    02-23-2014 , 11:48 PM
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    Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
    Std Sunday, lol



    up 17 > down 3 > up 17

    Really proud of my mindset throughout
    Is this at 500PLO zoom?
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    02-24-2014 , 12:33 AM
    10/20 Zoom + 10/20 ante for the most part.

    Would be a nice winrate at Zoom500, lol
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    02-24-2014 , 01:24 AM
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    Originally Posted by Lemay002
    youarerunningoverevlifetime
    using BB as a % of br this has to be true for like 95% of 2+2ers imo
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    02-24-2014 , 01:39 AM


    Feels dirty.
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    02-24-2014 , 01:43 AM
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    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    using BB as a % of br this has to be true for like 95% of 2+2ers imo
    using big bets as a percentage of bankroll...

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    02-24-2014 , 03:38 AM
    ? Most people who run bad to start give up. Most people that stick around ran good for quite a while at the beginning.
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    02-24-2014 , 05:35 AM
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    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    ? Most people who run bad to start give up. Most people that stick around ran good for quite a while at the beginning.
    exactly
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    02-24-2014 , 07:05 AM
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    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    ? Most people who run bad to start give up. Most people that stick around ran good for quite a while at the beginning.
    When I first made the switch from FRNL to PLO in the middle of last year I managed to lose about 4k @ 50. Bad run, bad play, generally sucking real hard, but I still loved the game.
    I am still a member of some skype FR groups and seeing some of those HHs makes me want to puke (epic nitring) and I could never probably go back to NL cash. I quit NL at the peak of my game, just didn't enjoy it anymore and felt like a "grind". I have played less than 200k hands lifetime right now and just a small winner, but despite the variance and swings love the game more than ever and looking to improve.
    Game has a bright future imo and would be a crime to quit seeing the action everyday, just got to accept the occasional rape.
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    02-24-2014 , 09:10 AM
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    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    ? Most people who run bad to start give up. Most people that stick around ran good for quite a while at the beginning.
    Yeah, I agree.

    It's not important, but I still don't understand the earlier post, even after having slept on it. Like, I don't know how to read it. I'm worried I have a language leak.
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    02-24-2014 , 09:54 AM
    just posting for the lolz, as it's not really relevant to the discussion, cause I had played other forms of poker before venturing into PLO. Not off to such a great start

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    02-24-2014 , 10:12 AM
    embrace the pain
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    02-24-2014 , 10:56 AM
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    Originally Posted by hockeyhero31
    PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): $61.00
    SB: $50.25
    BB: $29.80
    UTG: $48.08
    MP: $84.27
    CO: $83.68

    SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 3 J J A

    fold, MP raises to $1.50, fold, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, fold

    Flop: ($5.00, 3 players) J 6 T
    SB checks, MP bets $4.78, Hero raises to $18.50, fold, MP calls $13.72

    Turn: ($42.00, 2 players) 7
    MP checks, Hero bets $40.00, MP calls $40.00

    River: ($122.00, 2 players) K
    MP bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00 and is all-in

    MP shows 8 K K T (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 56%, Flop 14%, Turn 15%)
    Hero shows 3 J J A (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 44%, Flop 86%, Turn 85%)
    MP wins $121.50

    You only put in $2.50 when behind. Fold river and buy dat mcd cheezburger?
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