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SB: 158.8 BB
Hero (BB): 250.8 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 A A 3

UTG raises to 3.4 BB, fold, CO calls 3.4 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (13.6 BB, 4 players) A 2 8
SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, CO calls 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB


Turn: (52.6 BB, 3 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 50.6 BB, fold, SB raises to 142.4 BB and is all-in,



Hero calls 91.8 BB

SB shows 4 5 T 3 (Straight, Five High) (Pre 39%, Flop 31%, Turn 74%)

This can't be right. If you RIT and chop twice, and RIO loose/win you pay the same rake.

Am I missing something?

^ yes

he is saying that RIT at lower stakes is a factor in you being stuck for a longer time at lower stakes, and thus paying more rake compared to the stakes you play (BB/100 speaking)

SK's advice seems good to me

This is ******ed logic. The EV for RIO or RIT is the same. The only way the advice is accurate is if you could predict when the next "heater" is coming.
All this is a cool story bro... unless you lose... and then by golly you should've RIT because time is finite and you should've given yourself the best chance to not lose the most money at lower stakes because then you'd be stuck at lower stakes the longest and you really want yourself to get the best possible chance to move up as soon as possible.

I would have expected more of 2+2ers...

Ehm...RIT results in more raked split pots so it's like plo hi lo, it'd be better if the split pots in both games weren't raked at all.

Outside of rake I like RIT a lot and I'm playing 25PLO. I suppose you only benefit from it when you're running bad enough to lose most 50/50 pots before RIT.

I usually don't like a lot of stuff SeaKing writes but I pretty much agree with him on this. There is a far greater chance at being stuck at 1/2< for a longer period running it twice. I think at these levels it's probably wise to only RIO and embrace the variance, especially if your main goal is to try and move up in a relatively short amount of time.

However, as the pot isn't raked twice and if you're content to grind out one level (for instance nothing wrong with grinding .5/1 and 1/2 as many do it trying to achieve SNE etc) then obviously it's fine to RIT and lower the variance.

Also I'm not sure if it's implied in SK's post but it's something I've been thinking about and it also comes down to goals in poker. If someone is playing for fun/as a hobby/gentle side income then at levels 1/2 and below again it's obviously good sense to RIT and lower the variance and preserve poker roll as best as possible. If someone is having aspirations of making actual decent money from poker as their main income there realistically you'd want to be playing 1/2 and up, as this is the most realistic way of having say $50k+ years. Therefore as micro levels it'd probably make sense (and this isn't an out and out punt, you can still do this off 100-300bi rolls) to run it once and give yourself a chance to move up those levels faster.

At the end of the day if you run it once you only get to watch yourself get sucked out on once.

When you run it twice you have to watch yourself get sucked out on twice.

That's very demoralising for a new player. That's why you should run it once.

hahaha +1

Yeah having discussions is like so...wha evs!!!

For simplicity stake lets say the rake at .5/1 is a maximum of $3, you are playing against a player and get him down to his last $40 and get it in as a 50/50 flip here are the outcomes

When you run it once:
50% chance you bust him and you win $37, $3 in rake taken off the table, NO MORE RAKE CAN BE TAKEN, HE CAN NO LONGER PLAY, HE IS FINISHED
50% chance he wins and you lose $40, $3 in rake taken off the table

In this scenario there is a 50% chance he is still in action and you are continuing to get raked



When you run it twice:
25% chance you bust him and you win $37, $3 in rake taken off the table
50% chance you chop and $3 in rake is taken off the table
25% chance he wins and you lose $40, $3 in rake taken off the table

In this scenario there is a 75% chance he is still in action and you are continuing to get raked

But its not the same as before when he is still in action, now he is sitting with $38.5 instead of $40 (or 78.5, but only $38.5 of that was money from his acount) and you go through those same outcomes as before, when you are RIT you are increasing the likelihood of being stuck in the same spot over and over and every single time are getting raked so that if you finally do bust him quite often it is going to be for a significantly smaller amount of $ than what he was initially starting with. Why do you think there have been posts in this forum with people saying things like I was sitting at a 50PLO HU table and played for 2 hours, I had $175 in play and he had $56 and then I busted him and when I looked at my tracker I was down money... wtf??? RAKE SUCKS, TRY TO MINIMIZE IT.


If you want to move up or rather have a higher ceiling on your potential earnings VARIANCE IS GOOD, if you have a $500 bankroll and want to have the potential to win the most money, what is going to be a better investment, an $11 MTT where there is $370 up top, or the Sunday Storm where there is $35K up top...

Everyone is on a different side of the coin,,,, some pick heads some pick tails... no one knows why but what makes me lol is when people argue about wether heads or tails is better. Those who win the flip feel justified which is just more LOL. Only way to be balanced is to pick neither, let someone else choose.

Incase anyone was wondering, RIT and RIO are pretty much exactly the damn same. Same consequences and same rewards. Time is finite but HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF QUANTUM ****ING MECHANICS the superior is that which would have won.

Ok one buy in from moving up but if you lose you then HAVE TO WIN TWICE

you guys aren't even leveling.... wait are you?

Also why RIT is better:

You have 85% equity of a prize of 1 billion$ do you

a) run it one thousand times?
b) run it once

generally you want closer (and more often duh (time:space)) to what you are entitled to, RIT achieves this.

Being relatively noobish to PLO I've made mistakes and jammed with like 25% eq and sucked out twice from RIT muhaha

I want some of what you're having.

you re mixing in the general issue of having no edge due to low rake into the issue here. of course, you dont want to play when you dont have an edge post rake. otherwise you probably prefer villain to stay on the table with whatever stack to play on because you have an edge to having the match over and done after the hand. running it twice allows you to play a higher limit with the same bankroll, too.

I dont think I have won a hand against you this year, must be nice

plz be sure to post the next -100bi losing graph after you test the ev gods with this lack of respect

lol

hahahahah epic

VS the same guy, a few hands before, he rivered a full house (I had nut straight on the turn. GG to him!!!

havvent flopped this poorly in 3bet, 4bet pots in a long time. terrible weekend to say the least. i hate this game. i suck

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would be especially awesome had i never taken shots obv, still awesome tho

MPs ******ed. where s his call button? shocking no one had AA there or KK. plo blows my mind sometimes. nh btw