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09-23-2013 , 08:00 AM

#30976

bartolomeus

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,220

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbt

Stuff like:

also makes your AIEV look terrible...
just because the guy flops well (to say the least lol).
It's an almost useless stat which gets way too much attention since there is nothing else.
I have ranted so much about it I deserve an undertitle

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NH btw Ankimo

sure thats like a major example how the ev line doesnt have to mean anything.

there are other examples too where hero shoves to aggressivly with draws.

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09-23-2013 , 08:33 AM

#30977

U5eless Bluff

adept

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 720

Seaking - nothing to do with BBV but I have to say and I know its been said before but I actually think I'm in love with the girl from your avatar. Honestly, often I realize I have been staring blankly at it for long periods of time.

I wish I could LOVE her

Last edited by U5eless Bluff; 09-23-2013 at 08:56 AM. Reason: made it seedier

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09-23-2013 , 08:39 AM

#30978

GoGetaRealJob

QuadMasterSupreme

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

Bart, it's not the ranting, it's the fact that he posts the hands while still playing at Zoom-tables. "As I type this, this hand occurs..."

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09-23-2013 , 08:52 AM

#30979

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29,325

Quote:

I feel like im destined to lose (havent won a dime in 6+ months)

Maybe its time to have a hard think about whether you need poker and whether you want poker in your life.

I would suggest requesting Stars to ban you from their games for 2 weeks and use that time to really carefully evaluate your options going forward. Its a hard plunge to make, but it might be best. Do you really want to be back here in 6 months time saying you spent another 6 months breaking even after rakeback?

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09-23-2013 , 09:03 AM

#30980

bartolomeus

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,220

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

Bart, it's not the ranting, it's the fact that he posts the hands while still playing at Zoom-tables. "As I type this, this hand occurs..."

Hm, okay. I think thats a pretty bad habit too.

But hes right in one point, ZOOM IS the devil

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09-23-2013 , 09:53 AM

#30981

yrmom

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,921

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolomeus

By the way his EV line looks disastrous too doesnt it? apart from getting bad variance it seems to me he is not making good decissions in the first place most of the time?

I mean if your AIEV line is a clear net loser over that large a sample, you're doing more than one thing wrong.

Even if you're not a losing player due to sick variance (don't count on that, kids), odds are your winrate is at best about BE

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09-23-2013 , 10:21 AM

#30982

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29,325

gotta disagree on that one. its only 170k hands and he isnt a big loser. i think its highly unlikely he is playing as a big winner, but i would estimate he could easily be a 3-4bb/100 winner and produce that graph.

also its possible he just tilted a couple of times (63k-73k, and 104k-118k), if you remove those 2 small sections he is a moderate winner already.

pretty confident i could post different 170k hand samples with much more than a 5bb/100 differential.

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09-23-2013 , 10:25 AM

#30983

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29,325

of course the most likely scenario is that he is a moderate loser based on that graph alone. a winner when untilted, but likely playing a fair bit on tilt.

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09-23-2013 , 10:28 AM

#30984

napsus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 9,540

seems to be a common thing nowadays that tilt sessions dont count towards winrate

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09-23-2013 , 10:31 AM

#30985

keevo

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 843

Zoom is devil confirmed.
Started this month with the goal to grind $10k at .5/1 zoom but stopped 10 days later at -$3,2k

Now back at 200 reg tables and feels much better. Dunno, it feels so hard for me to win money at 100 zoom although the average skill there is so bad, plus results of friends prove me wrong that its impossibru to beat with a high WR.

Won't touch it anymore tho

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09-23-2013 , 11:16 AM

#30986

Ankimo

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,996

so satisfying. Villain would stack people and sht talk and berate them.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19540021

MP: $61.28 (122.6 bb)
CO: $178.28 (356.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $142 (284 bb)
SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $102.23 (204.5 bb)
UTG: $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB folds, BB raises to $3.85, Hero calls $2.65

Flop: ($7.95) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $7.59, Hero calls $7.59

Turn: ($23.13) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $22.09, Hero calls $22.09

River: ($67.31) 3

(2 players)
BB bets $64.81, Hero calls $64.81

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

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09-23-2013 , 12:39 PM

#30987

kelnel

veteran

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,718

Quote:

Originally Posted by napsus

seems to be a common thing nowadays that tilt sessions dont count towards winrate

Urubu agrees

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09-23-2013 , 01:03 PM

#30988

shimmy

adept

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 909

There's definitely something about Zoom, the rake must be higher or something

Since April:

How I run at Zoom -

How I run at reg tables -

And yes, I've been playing more terrible than usual lately, as you can see :|

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09-23-2013 , 01:30 PM

#30989

Ankimo

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,996

zoom rake is less due to tighter play but the results make sense as you have much better reads on reg tables. Even with large number of hands on a villain, you lose out on the fact that they may be tilting from a previous hand.

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09-23-2013 , 01:35 PM

#30990

shimmy

adept

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 909

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ankimo

Even with large number of hands on a villain, you lose out on the fact that they may be tilting from a previous hand.

That's probably true to a certain extent but in my case playing so many tables I don't tend to notice game flow things too often anyway. Also I normally use Easy Seat when playing reg tables so virtually no table/seat selection, but maybe the other regs are doing some of it for me by breaking the table when the fish leaves.

Was sort of joking about the rake being higher, I dunno what it is. There's plenty of godawful play at Zoom.

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09-23-2013 , 01:39 PM

#30991

Ankimo

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,996

Spoiler:

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09-23-2013 , 01:49 PM

#30992

Grethe

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,310

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdul_Dahmar

maybe she is a shortstacker

looooool, I see what you did there

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09-23-2013 , 01:54 PM

#30993

shimmy

adept

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 909

Wasn't meant to be a barg, I'm pretty unhappy with my play/results recently :|

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09-23-2013 , 01:58 PM

#30994

shimmy

adept

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 909

If I was going to barg I'd tell you that I've played 95% of those hands on a laptop with the tables overlapping

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09-23-2013 , 02:01 PM

#30995

SlimyF

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,706

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

If I was going to barg I'd tell you that I've played 95% of those hands on a laptop with the tables overlapping

It's good that you're too big of a man to do so..

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09-23-2013 , 02:39 PM

#30996

bartolomeus

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,220

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

There's definitely something about Zoom, the rake must be higher or something

Since April:

How I run at Zoom -

How I run at reg tables -

And yes, I've been playing more terrible than usual lately, as you can see :|

630k hands at zoom. okay

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09-23-2013 , 03:14 PM

#30997

faxek

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 161

Should play more zoom, even run above ev! If only reg tables/other sites went as well..

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09-23-2013 , 03:28 PM

#30998

Kreatief

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,599

what a beauty...

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09-23-2013 , 04:14 PM

#30999

bartolomeus

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,220

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxek

Should play more zoom, even run above ev! If only reg tables/other sites went as well..

If you run (and lets assume play) that well at Zoom. Your reg tables should be better ?

cool graph, but i dont see 50k as a relevant sample. still pretty awesome congrats.

Last edited by bartolomeus; 09-23-2013 at 04:20 PM.