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12-02-2012 , 01:07 PM
1 outed 3 times today. I run lolbad

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14807341

    SB: $7.58 (75.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): $17.51 (175.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q Q K
    SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.60) 4 4 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.47, SB raises to $4.98, Hero raises to $8.49, SB calls $2.30

    Turn: ($15.16) 4 (2 players)
    River: ($15.16) 9 (2 players)

    Results: $15.16 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: 4 4 Q 4 9
    SB showed 6 4 5 J and won $14.66 ($7.08 net)
    Hero showed A Q Q K and lost (-$7.58 net)



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      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
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      BTN: $6.07 (60.7 bb)
      SB: $40.96 (409.6 bb)
      BB: $14.78 (147.8 bb)
      Hero (CO): $14.45 (144.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A 2 Q A
      Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.75) 9 8 A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

      Turn: ($1.95) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.30, Hero raises to $3.30, BTN raises to $5.17 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.87

      River: ($12.29) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $12.29 pot ($0.55 rake)
      Final Board: 9 8 A 9 9
      BTN showed J K 9 J and won $11.74 ($5.67 net)
      Hero showed A 2 Q A and lost (-$6.07 net)



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        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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        CO: $10.97 (109.7 bb)
        BTN: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
        Hero (SB): $10.74 (107.4 bb)
        BB: $8.57 (85.7 bb)
        MP: $11.77 (117.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 6 8 4
        3 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

        Flop: ($0.60) 3 2 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BB checks

        Turn: ($0.60) 2 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $5.07, Hero raises to $10.44 and is all-in, BB calls $3.20 and is all-in

        River: ($17.14) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Results: $17.14 pot ($0.77 rake)
        Final Board: 3 2 8 2 2
        Hero showed 8 6 8 4 and lost (-$8.57 net)
        BB showed T 2 A K and won $16.37 ($7.80 net)



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        12-02-2012 , 05:16 PM
        this pretty much sums up my session from yesterday, lol





          Poker Stars, $2/$4, $0.80 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14809331

          BTN: $809.65 (202.4 bb)
          SB: $1,458.51 (364.6 bb)
          BB: $3,106.40 (776.6 bb)
          MP: $599.30 (149.8 bb)
          Hero (CO): $1,386.50 (346.6 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 A 4 A
          MP folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN calls $10, SB raises to $48, BB folds, Hero raises to $162, BTN folds, SB calls $114

          Flop: ($342) 5 8 4 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $188, SB raises to $388, Hero raises to $1,223.70 and is all-in, SB calls $835.70

          Turn: ($2,789.40) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: ($2,789.40) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $2,789.40 pot ($2.80 rake)
          Final Board: 5 8 4 9 J
          SB showed 6 A T 7 and lost (-$1,386.50 net)
          Hero showed 8 A 4 A and won $2,786.60 ($1,400.10 net)



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          12-02-2012 , 07:37 PM
          I know this has been asked before, but whats the opinion on table blocking a guy, who takes a few Buy in's off you then proceeds to sit out after he loses a couple back, but instantly opens new tables and sit out, when you sit again.

          Keep table blocking him?
          Dont bother wasting my time?
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          12-02-2012 , 09:16 PM
          Based on what you told us...

          When you realize that people aren't obligated to play with you, I'm sure you realize how immature table blocking is.
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          12-02-2012 , 10:20 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by rocky1210
          I know this has been asked before, but whats the opinion on table blocking a guy, who takes a few Buy in's off you then proceeds to sit out after he loses a couple back, but instantly opens new tables and sit out, when you sit again.

          Keep table blocking him?
          Dont bother wasting my time?
          wow
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          12-02-2012 , 11:24 PM
          Fair enough, don't play hu much at all, so was just pissed off at his actions. Immature may be too strong a definition, bum hunting is TERRIBLE for the games and something should be done about it. KotH is probably the only way.
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          12-03-2012 , 02:28 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ItsmeMario
          I have paid 60BI in rake past 11 days l0l. Its rly a **** ton now that u look at it.
          Maybe you don't understand the difference between rake really paid (Rake on Winning Hands in OM2, Rake Attributed in PT4) and dealt 'rake' calculated for RB purposes only (Rake in OM2 for Lock, Rake Share in PT4). From my small Lock sample on you, your dealt 'rake' is 1.3-1.5 times bigger than weighted contributed (the latter is slightly less than real rake for winners in the long run, but pretty close). So in reality you paid less rake, and actually I suspect that at Lock your real RB is close to or more than 100%, on iPoker it's worse ldo but I'm sure you have a top-notch deal and pay not more than 6 bb/100 in effective rake as well. I'm really surprised, you're the last grinder on the earth I expected to complain!
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          12-03-2012 , 02:33 AM
          Contributed rake isn't any more "real" than dealt, both add up to same total amount for the table, just the distribution is different. And if you're not a nit, the difference between contributed and dealt shouldn't be anywhere near that much.
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          12-03-2012 , 02:45 AM
          Loving this early Christmas Gift

          Probably funniest hand iv played lol

            Poker Stars, $0.50/$1, $0.20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14815471

            Hero (BB): $441.88 (441.9 bb)
            MP: $135.07 (135.1 bb)
            CO: $425.84 (425.8 bb)
            BTN: $253.61 (253.6 bb)
            SB: $250 (250 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K J J 2
            MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

            Flop: ($4) A Q J (3 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1, SB folds, Hero calls $1

            Turn: ($6) J (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO checks

            River: ($6) 8 (2 players)
            Hero bets $3.50, CO raises to $16.23, Hero raises to $54.42, CO raises to $92.61, Hero raises to $283.56, CO raises to $423.64 and is all-in, Hero calls $140.08

            Spoiler:
            Results: $853.28 pot ($2.80 rake)
            Final Board: A Q J J 8
            Hero showed K J J 2 and won $850.48 ($424.64 net)
            CO showed A Q A 9 and lost (-$425.84 net)



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            12-03-2012 , 02:58 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chinz
            Contributed rake isn't any more "real" than dealt, both add up to same total amount for the table, just the distribution is different. And if you're not a nit, the difference between contributed and dealt shouldn't be anywhere near that much.
            That's the point: the dealt method encourages people to nit up, and it's awesome that it's been replaced by WC almost everywhere. Real LAG winners have pretty close dealt and WC, for winning TAGs dealt is only 20-40% higher. I believe that, despite being 'not real', WC is empirically a much better approximation to the real rake, according to my DB they usually differ by not more than 10% for all types of players.
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            12-03-2012 , 03:56 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Ankimo
            Based on what you told us...

            When you realize that people aren't obligated to play with you, I'm sure you realize how immature table blocking is.
            Why is this immature? Honestly I don't get it. I play HU occasionally in PS and the lower limits (.25/.50 & .50/1) are filled with bumhunting regs who play 20 hands with you and ALWAYS sit out when they see you are somewhat competent player.

            I have every right to sit their tables and if they are scared to play, then it's too bad for them.
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            12-03-2012 , 04:24 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Godspeed_EJ
            Why is this immature? Honestly I don't get it. I play HU occasionally in PS and the lower limits (.25/.50 & .50/1) are filled with bumhunting regs who play 20 hands with you and ALWAYS sit out when they see you are somewhat competent player.

            I have every right to sit their tables and if they are scared to play, then it's too bad for them.
            Completely agree with this. Am I the only one who thinks that anyone bumhunting at stakes below 5/10 (can posssiibly make an argument for 2/4 3/6 on occasions) is probably the lowest form of life ever? It's such bowl money at .25/.50 - 2/4 that if you can't handle a swing there you simply shouldn't be playing for money.

            I'm a high stakes full ring live player and occasionally i'll play online from .5/1-3/6 HU PLO as I try and improve there. Since opening an account on Stars/FTP a few weeks a go I now get almost no action from all regs on there at those levels simply because I'm competent. They are playing that game all the time and therefore will surely have an edge on me, a guy who is willing to drop $10k a session compared to waiting for a fish who will come and drop $116.23 to them.

            /rant
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            12-03-2012 , 04:30 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by justfold
            Loving this early Christmas Gift

            Probably funniest hand iv played lol

              Poker Stars, $0.50/$1, $0.20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14815471


              Hero (BB): $441.88 (441.9 bb)
              MP: $135.07 (135.1 bb)
              CO: $425.84 (425.8 bb)
              BTN: $253.61 (253.6 bb)
              SB: $250 (250 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with K J J 2
              MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

              Flop: ($4) A Q J (3 players)
              SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1, SB folds, Hero calls $1

              Turn: ($6) J (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO checks

              River: ($6) 8 (2 players)
              Hero bets $3.50, CO raises to $16.23, Hero raises to $54.42, CO raises to $92.61, Hero raises to $283.56, CO raises to $423.64 and is all-in, Hero calls $140.08

              Spoiler:
              Results: $853.28 pot ($2.80 rake)
              Final Board: A Q J J 8
              Hero showed K J J 2 and won $850.48 ($424.64 net)
              CO showed A Q A 9 and lost (-$425.84 net)



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              n1 considerin the action untill the river
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              12-03-2012 , 04:48 AM
              so so terribad by CO lol. Hell if I was him I'd hate getting 3b on the river (still obv just snap-call heros raise to 54)
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              12-03-2012 , 05:09 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Godspeed_EJ
              Why is this immature? Honestly I don't get it. I play HU occasionally in PS and the lower limits (.25/.50 & .50/1) are filled with bumhunting regs who play 20 hands with you and ALWAYS sit out when they see you are somewhat competent player.

              I have every right to sit their tables and if they are scared to play, then it's too bad for them.
              +1000

              Nh justfold. lol @ co reraising to 92.x
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              12-03-2012 , 05:39 AM
              $92.61 was exactly a clickback (minraise), so there's nothing strange, another story is that CO should have called or folded instead of 3betting the river, depending on the dynamics.

              And that lol was from someone who sizes raises like that: I'ma clickback to $13.84... oh wait, he's a fish, I should raise more... OK, I'll type into the box and raise to $25.34 instead of just repotting to $28.01.

              Last edited by coon74; 12-03-2012 at 05:57 AM. Reason: PT4 shows bb's instead of $ lol.
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              12-03-2012 , 06:07 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Godspeed_EJ
              Why is this immature? Honestly I don't get it. I play HU occasionally in PS and the lower limits (.25/.50 & .50/1) are filled with bumhunting regs who play 20 hands with you and ALWAYS sit out when they see you are somewhat competent player.

              I have every right to sit their tables and if they are scared to play, then it's too bad for them.
              Why is it immature?

              Umm, you're sitting at a table, knowing you're not going to be playing. And you're doing this because you're mad at the other guy. Yeah, sounds pretty immature to me. You have every right to do it, just like you have the right to throw yourself to the ground in a supermarket and start crying, but it's pretty goddamn immature.
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              12-03-2012 , 06:15 AM
              Yeah, just because you're right in a way doesn't mean it's not immature. You see a people doing stupid and immature stuff (not talking about poker, in general) and justifying it with "I have a right to xxxxxxxxxx" all the time. Don't be one of them.

              Those bumhunters aren't gonna play you anyway and nothing positive can come out of table blocking them, so you're just wasting time harassing someone over the internet because you're mad at them.


              @justfold:
              lol. I guess nobody told the villain that 5bet on the river usually means the nuts in PLO.
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              12-03-2012 , 06:58 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Jabonator
              Why is it immature?

              Umm, you're sitting at a table, knowing you're not going to be playing. And you're doing this because you're mad at the other guy. Yeah, sounds pretty immature to me. You have every right to do it, just like you have the right to throw yourself to the ground in a supermarket and start crying, but it's pretty goddamn immature.
              Where in my post did you manage to read the part where I said I was mad for them sitting out? I want to play them. They only want to play fish.
              If they sit out tables where I'm sitting at then they always have the option to leave that table. I'm guessing it's them who are mad about my behavior not the other way around.

              My point of view is that they are the immature ones for sitting out players who actually have a clue what they are doing. Overall i think it's bad for the game when 90% of HU action in SS is bumhunting.

              Obviously if you are one of those bumhunters then I see your point as well. But just take a minute and try to give a honest assessment who's the immature one here.
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              12-03-2012 , 07:16 AM
              Seems that you're mad at them when you start blocking their tables.

              You want to play them. You know they won't oblige. Why sit?

              And no, I'm not a bumhunter.
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              12-03-2012 , 07:38 AM
              I'd also add that they played enough for a "few" buyins to go one way, then even more for a "couple" of buyins to back the other way. That is hardly bum hunting.

              Jabonator understood my point. If you guys are table blocking in the context he described, it's immature
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              12-03-2012 , 07:54 AM
              immaturity cannot exist as a concern in an anonymous realm

              and I gotta agree with godspeed, I really dislike them but- I wouldn't waste my time in such a way as it serves only the ego.

              I use to give people in waiting lists a certain color and my play would be so aggro towards them in games if I saw them.

              THese people are also usually nittier and weaker players than your average
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              12-03-2012 , 08:32 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Jabonator
              Seems that you're mad at them when you start blocking their tables.

              You want to play them. You know they won't oblige. Why sit?

              And no, I'm not a bumhunter.
              I don't table select at those levels, I just sit down and want to play. They sit out. Who's blocking who I ask you?
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              12-03-2012 , 08:32 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
              immaturity cannot exist as a concern in an anonymous realm
              Have you ever read BBV/BBV4Life? The Internet is an anonymous realm. I'm fairly certain immaturity exists on a magnified scale on the Internet.
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              12-03-2012 , 09:27 AM
              Maybe he meant nothing but immature idiots exist in any anomous situation, that would make more sense. Anonymity is pretty much synonymous for immaturity and stupidy.

              Regards,
              Anonymous 2+2er
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