[LOW] ***Small Stakes PLO BBV THREAD*** - Page 108 - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($17.00)
Hero (UTG+1) ($105.00)
CO ($553.00)
BTN ($214.80)
SB ($115.15)
BB ($106.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 6

1 fold, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: 6

($9.50, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9.05, CO calls $9.05, BB raises to $45.25, Hero goes all-in $102, CO folds, BB calls $56.75

Turn: 8

($222.55, 2 players)

River: 7

($222.55, 2 players)

Final Pot: $222.55
BB shows: 5

Hero shows: 6

Hero wins $219.55 ( won +$114.55 )
BB lost -$105
CO lost -$12.05

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01-26-2009 , 10:08 AM

#2677

DMoogle

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Well played, vetiver.

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01-26-2009 , 10:28 AM

#2678

alavet

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Neverfeltme: hello, do you know anything about term BBV?
how do you think your hand fits to this thread?

hint: beat, brag, variance

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01-26-2009 , 02:18 PM

#2679

Scary_Tiger

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Originally Posted by alavet

Neverfeltme: hello, do you know anything about term BBV?
how do you think your hand fits to this thread?

hint: beat, brag, variance

He won the pot so clearly it's a brag.

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01-26-2009 , 04:57 PM

#2680

Recon20k

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Originally Posted by DMoogle

Well played, vetiver.

I concur. nice line.

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01-26-2009 , 08:20 PM

#2681

Burnsabre

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I don't whine all that often but....
Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 20937
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CO: $68.00
BTN: $210.90
SB: $76.00
BB: $153.10
UTG: $202.00
Hero (MP): $402.85

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP with 9

UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BTN calls $18, 1 fold, BB calls $14, UTG calls $14

Flop: ($74.00) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $68, BTN raises to $192.90 all in, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $124.90

Turn: ($459.80) 2

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($459.80) 2

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:

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01-26-2009 , 09:10 PM

#2682

gavz101

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I am finding it quite difficult to run well while moving up.
31,000 hands.
Total winnings: 2.7BB/100
Equity adjusted: 5.8BB/100

Sorry for wasting your time with this pathetic post.

KTHXBAI

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01-26-2009 , 09:14 PM

#2683

SteveL91

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gavz101

I am finding it quite difficult to run well while moving up.

I fear I have the same problem.

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01-26-2009 , 09:18 PM

#2684

sc000t

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gavz101

I am finding it quite difficult to run well while moving up.
31,000 hands.
Total winnings: 2.7BB/100
Equity adjusted: 5.8BB/100

Sorry for wasting your time with this pathetic post.

KTHXBAI

Well stop losing these for starters.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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gavz101 (BTN): $478.05
JuliaVarg (SB): $84.95
monopy (BB): $104.60
lars_vegas (UTG): $203.00
Hero (MP): $254.00
MrBIond (CO): $263.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with Q

1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, gavz101 raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($43.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, gavz101 bets $36, Hero raises to $130, gavz101 raises to $430.85, Hero calls $104 all in

Turn: ($511.00) A

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($511.00) 6

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $511.00
gavz101 mucks K

Hero shows Q

(a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero wins $508.00
(Rake: $3.00)

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01-26-2009 , 09:27 PM

#2685

gavz101

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Khan is not amused....

You're lucky I was nice. I told xr8ed to go fk himself when he got it in with the best hand and won lol

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01-26-2009 , 09:30 PM

#2686

gavz101

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This got me thinking. This is 72K hands since December running like ze poop. So does that mean that some of the really rubbish regs (that I'm not going to name) are actually only winning because they're running so well and are actually breakeven/ losing players? And does that mean poker can be so disgustingly cruel it can trick you in to thinking you are good even after 100,000 hands?

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01-26-2009 , 09:38 PM

#2687

SteveL91

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gavz101

Quite possible. I really wish I were better versed in the mathematics of poker and statistics, but if you think about the typical PLO situations (read: a ****ton of 50/50; 55/45 and 60/40 hands), it's not hard to see how you could easily run way above or way below expectation for quite a while.

Also, I'd imagine that over (nearly?) any sample size less than an infinite number of hands, there's the distinct possibility of running differently than your expectation. Given the sheer number of people who play the game, I'd imagine that extreme outliers are an absolute.

Hopefully someone with an actual understanding of this stuff will chime in with some math.

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01-26-2009 , 11:22 PM

#2688

DMoogle

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Look at the chart on page 31 of Mathematics of Poker. It really opened my eyes.

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01-26-2009 , 11:59 PM

#2689

ActionFreak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveL91

Quite possible. I really wish I were better versed in the mathematics of poker and statistics, but if you think about the typical PLO situations (read: a ****ton of 50/50; 55/45 and 60/40 hands), it's not hard to see how you could easily run way above or way below expectation for quite a while.

Also, I'd imagine that over (nearly?) any sample size less than an infinite number of hands, there's the distinct possibility of running differently than your expectation. Given the sheer number of people who play the game, I'd imagine that extreme outliers are an absolute.

Hopefully someone with an actual understanding of this stuff will chime in with some math.

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01-27-2009 , 12:01 AM

#2690

ActionFreak

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Also, I won at poker tonight!

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01-27-2009 , 01:02 AM

#2691

LearnedfromTV

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villain is 2003 world champion of unlimited holdem

Poker Stars $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 21308
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SB: $583.95
BB: $528.00
UTG: $1606.15
MP: $1647.25
CO: $150.00
Hero (BTN): $989.10

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN with 9

1 fold, MP raises to $21, 1 fold, Hero calls $21, SB raises to $80, 1 fold, MP calls $59, Hero calls $59

Flop: ($246.00) 7

(3 players)
SB bets $60, MP calls $60, Hero raises to $483, SB folds, MP raises to $906, Hero raises to $909.10 all in, MP calls $3.10

Turn: ($2124.20) 7

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($2124.20) 7

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $2124.20

MP shows J

(three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero shows 9

(three of a kind, Sevens - Ace kicker)
Hero wins $2121.20
(Rake: $3.00)

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01-27-2009 , 01:25 AM

#2692

SteveL91

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Good call, DMoogle and ActionFreak. I completely forgot that I already own the book. Guess I have some homework to get to.

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01-27-2009 , 02:10 AM

#2693

ActionFreak

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money had you in bad shape

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01-27-2009 , 02:27 AM

#2694

BananaBalla

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 21467
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SB: $97.10
Hero (BB): $142.50
UTG: $99.50
CO: $33.00
BTN: $22.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A

UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.00) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7

Turn: ($23.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $16, UTG raises to $43, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $131.50 all in, UTG calls $45.50 all in

River: ($200.00) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $200.00
Hero shows A

(two pair, Aces and Sixes)
UTG shows 2

(two pair, Sixes and Twos)
Hero wins $197.00
(Rake: $3.00)

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01-27-2009 , 03:17 AM

#2695

LearnedfromTV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ActionFreak

money had you in bad shape

ah but i won

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01-27-2009 , 07:14 AM

#2696

wazz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMoogle

Look at the chart on page 31 of Mathematics of Poker. It really opened my eyes.

Even though we won nicely, this truly opened my eyes to the nature of variance. One of the guys involved undertook a similar promotion on his own later on and lost massively, having calculated the chances of him losing anything at all at something like < 2%. Just doing the research into how to calculate bet-sizing according to bankroll was enough to spur me onto forgetting my history of shot-taking and gambling, turning me into the responsible, bankroll-managing player I am today.

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01-27-2009 , 08:55 AM

#2697

DMoogle

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I remember reading that post, wazz.

While we're on the topic of variance, here's yet another interesting post that was made the day before yesterday: http://blogs.cardrunners.com/interne...ore-1232943829

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01-27-2009 , 12:11 PM

#2698

TheMagnet

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 21716
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Hero (BTN): $179.20
SB: $306.40
BB: $111.70
UTG: $100.00
MP: $122.40
CO: $103.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 8

1 fold, MP raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11, SB calls $10.50, 1 fold, MP calls $7.50

Flop: ($34.00) T

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $29, SB calls $29, MP folds

Turn: ($92.00) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($92.00) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $53, Hero raises to $120, SB folds

Final Pot: $198.00
Hero mucks 8

Hero wins $195.00
(Rake: $3.00)

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01-27-2009 , 01:19 PM

#2699

AU Stormcrow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMoogle

I remember reading that post, wazz.

While we're on the topic of variance, here's yet another interesting post that was made the day before yesterday: http://blogs.cardrunners.com/interne...ore-1232943829

VERY, very good read. ty.