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Simple AA stack off question Simple AA stack off question

04-16-2024 , 06:27 AM
Hi all,

just been losing so many hands and got tilted by this one as well and am wondering if this was overplay or just variance.

I am on the button with AdAh9d2s. CO opens, I repot it, blinds both fold, CO calls. At these stakes there is hardly ever a fold to a 4 bet.

Flop comes:
Ks9s2h

I bet third pot, he raises. As I have been tilted from losing so many hands due to different reasons, I just wanted to get back and reraised all in. I am holding the 9 and the 2, in case he doesn't have KK he could do this with a wrap, where I am slighly ahead or a FD and a pair where I am break even. If I weigh more set and wrap + FD, then I am losing.

He had K9, no FD and just backdoor SD and held.

As Aces are the most profitable hand, how to extract the most value while not losing the whole stack like this?

You can't always flop a set or the NFD or a small pair that doesn't fair to hit the opponent.

Thank you for the help
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04-16-2024 , 08:05 AM
pure check back on the flop
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04-16-2024 , 08:07 AM
thanks, is it because of the two spades and lack of spades in our hand?
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04-16-2024 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hazelasty
pure check back on the flop
Not pure check back at all. When I see pure check back I think you mean full range check back, and that is not true, although this hand does make a lot of sense to check back.

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Originally Posted by SabinSala
thanks, is it because of the two spades and lack of spades in our hand?
No. It concerns your absolute equity, lack of robustness, playability, side cards and blockers.

Let's say we play a B50/B100 strategy in this spot (which is what I play and I am not sure why you are betting B33). On this texture we should be betting about 50% of our range and primarily for half pot. With AA, that goes up slightly to about 60%. With two or more spades, that goes up to 98%, and the only checks we have is when we have K2, K9, 92 in our hand. With the naked As we bet about 70% of the time.

So, your hand is AA92 on a K92ss board; if you bet, what hands are you targeting to call? You unblock Kings, which is good, but you block 9 and 2, so that reduces the number of calling hands in your opponent's range and weights him more towards Spades (we are probably a flip) or KK. Additionally, his top pair hands will often have a flush draw, and these will often play aggressively against us here, which is bad.

We'd like to see a turn card with our hand, as we have moderate equity with poor playability. We are not excited about playing for stacks on this board yet, but if we bet, we basically have to.

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As I have been tilted from losing so many hands due to different reasons, I just wanted to get back and reraised all in.
This is horrible and you should quit playing if you feel like this.
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04-16-2024 , 10:52 AM
Over pair / bottom 2 on the flop on a board with multiple draws, none of which you have.

If you cbet and get raised, you're in a situation that you are not happy about and are either folding or making a crying call. Bottom two doesn't do very well into check raises.

If you check you allow for a safe turn card to hit and can then evaluate your turn bet, call or check based on how your opponent reacts.

In this particular spot we can use our positional advantage to control pot size and see a free (hopefully safe) turn card.
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05-15-2024 , 07:20 AM
For some players a Repot preflop means only one hand. If that is the case, K9 has you crushed.
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05-15-2024 , 01:19 PM
Some of these old time phrases have gone by the way side of logic, charts and 'true' theory ..

"Don't bet unless you can call a raise" I think this is especially important in PLO due to the 6x in possible combinations of holdings that can connect with the Board.

While you are in position, I agree that this Board lends itself to sticky spots once the pot gets bloated.

You could also apply the .. "Well, I was willing to GII PF, so let's go!!" mentality as well.

What were stack sizes? Sounds like not too deep, so this may have not been avoidable even with some pot control.

You essentially have 'two' one-pair hands .. I don't consider bottom 2 any stronger than AA in this exact spot. You can also pick up the Turn for run-run better two-pair.

V type .. history .. Did CO 'pot' open? If so, why not slow play a hand IP when you're tilted? What better way to transfer tilt to another Player than to play a controlled pot.

And due to presumed shallow-ish stack sizes, why not just 2-2.5x raise and see if they want to party PF? It should still provide the betting lead OTF and allow for some additional equity denial depending on how the Flop goes.

Wrong? Well I think all of us have pressed a bit too hard in a hand like this during a session downswing, but I'm a much happier PLO Player these days shooting for singles and doubles instead of HRs 'all the time'. GL
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05-16-2024 , 02:33 AM
spr 1-1.5 it's fine to stack this off. >spr 2 probably too light to stack off
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05-21-2024 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
I'm a much happier PLO Player these days shooting for singles and doubles instead of HRs 'all the time'. GL
There is definitely a tendency for the game of PLO to always talk in terms of getting stacks in.

I think this phrase is spot on and there is a lost art to picking up stray pots that people don't seem to want to take or simply being happy grabbing a few blinds by playing well in position.
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