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05-25-2016 , 02:47 PM
Just wondering in hand below, even though I was marginal favourite on flop would it have been better to call their flop bet and wait for a safe non heart turn??

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $10.69 (106.9 bb)
    BB: $16.37 (163.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $13.46 (134.6 bb)
    MP: $45.16 (451.6 bb)
    CO: $8.93 (89.3 bb)
    BTN: $44.62 (446.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with T J 8 9
    Hero raises to $0.35, MP raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.85

    Flop: ($2.55) 3 J 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $1.80, Hero raises to $7.84, MP raises to $13.88, Hero calls $4.42

    Turn: ($27.07) T (2 players)
    River: ($27.07) 3 (2 players)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $27.07 pot ($1.15 rake)
    Final Board: 3 J 9 T 3
    Hero showed T J 8 9 and lost (-$13.46 net)
    MP showed A 4 Q A and won $25.92 ($12.46 net)
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    05-25-2016 , 03:50 PM
    You have to dodge 3,8,T,K,A and hearts, that's half of the deck. gii while you still have good equity
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    05-25-2016 , 06:07 PM
    Check/jam is fine since you're oop. Just calling puts you in many tricky turn spots. Calling for safe cards is better in position
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    05-25-2016 , 07:20 PM
    This is a jam IP or OOP. Waiting for a safe turn card isn't a "concept" that applies to spots like this. It only really applies in spots where we can narrow opponents range down to a specific type of hand. eg. We have a wrap + FD, and based on action in a multi-way pot know that villain must have a set. We can call and save money by folding on non-board pairing turns.

    Alternatively, we can wait for a safe turn card with a hand that isn't really going to be in that great shape if it gets it in on the flop. eg. Bottom set on certain boards is likely to be flipping/crushed if it gets action. But by flatting and waiting for a safe turn card, we under-rep our hand and allow villain to put money in again with a draw/worse value hand that he might have folded to a flop raise.
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    05-25-2016 , 08:40 PM
    Jamming for sure. Above post is good
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