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Short Stack PLO100z Turn Stack Off Punt? Short Stack PLO100z Turn Stack Off Punt?

10-14-2021 , 02:39 PM
    PokerStars - $1 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    BTN: $185.67 (185.7 bb)
    SB: $216.58 (216.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $50.00 (50 bb)
    UTG: $100.00 (100 bb)
    MP: $170.41 (170.4 bb)
    CO: $145.07 (145.1 bb)

    SB posts $0.50, Hero posts BB $1.00

    Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has 5 T 7 Q
    UTG raises to $3.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $2.50

    Flop: ($7.50, 2 players) 4 Q A
    Hero checks, UTG bets $3.70, Hero calls $3.70

    Turn: ($14.90, 2 players) 7
    Hero checks, UTG bets $10.76, Hero raises to $42.80 and is all-in, UTG calls $32.04

    River: ($100.50, 2 players) 8

    Players agreed to run it twice.

    River #2: ($100.50, 2 players) 9

    Results: $100.50 pot ($0.00 rake)
    Final Board: 4 Q A 7 8 9

    Hero shows 5 T 7 Q: (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
    Board #1 : (Pre 39%, Flop 55%, Turn 60%)
    (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
    Board #2 : (Pre 39%, Flop 55%, Turn 59%)

    UTG shows A K K T: (One Pair, Aces)
    Board #1 : (Pre 61%, Flop 45%, Turn 40%)
    (One Pair, Aces)
    Board #2 : (Pre 61%, Flop 45%, Turn 41%)

    Hero wins $49.00


    So first off this hand is a fold with low suit in BB, but QT76ds is very solidly a call/3bet. Not that concerned. UTG is a little loose anyways. Flop is pretty easy call.

    The turn gets more difficult. I am out of position with non nutted runouts, but I also run into top set a lot here. Felt like stacking off was fairly justified because of how often UTG will continue betting turns. Being crushed sometimes + not having much fold equity feels rough. But I have no clue how I'd do well playing rivers here.
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    10-14-2021 , 04:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
    Not that concerned.
    If playing 40/60 dogs out of position doesn't concern you, maybe your concern meter needs a tuneup.
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    10-14-2021 , 06:11 PM
    Every post you make is worse than the last one. Just stop.
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    10-14-2021 , 06:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J4J
    If playing 40/60 dogs out of position doesn't concern you, maybe your concern meter needs a tuneup.
    Have you ever made an actually constructive comment
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    10-15-2021 , 02:20 AM
    Think vs agressive player it can be ok. Chances of him having us twice dominated is pretty slim.

    Though it is high variance play.
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    10-15-2021 , 03:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by derjan
    Chances of him having us twice dominated is pretty slim.
    Yeah that was a large part of my decision to jam. If I call and check some flush or boat river, I am pretty unhappy whenever he decides to put it in.
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    10-15-2021 , 09:31 AM
    Though our main issue is we are not blocking any ace.

    + we are only ahead one pair hands so what villain shows is the best he can have for us.
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    10-15-2021 , 04:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
    Have you ever made an actually constructive comment
    If you don't think it is "constructive" to tell you not to play -EV hands from -EV position, then your grasp of constructive isn't very good either.
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    10-15-2021 , 05:52 PM
    But the thing is all these zoom games are completely dead because of all these players never playing any hand.

    Might be most EV but entertainment value 0

    And we are paying 2,50 to 5 so in Omaha that is +EV if we are not losing postflop which apperently we do.

    So don't see why this is a fold pre. Especially since we are short so our reversed implied odds are smaller. If we are not coming to play hands then why play poker all.

    Last edited by derjan; 10-15-2021 at 05:58 PM.
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    10-15-2021 , 09:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by derjan
    Though our main issue is we are not blocking any ace.

    + we are only ahead one pair hands so what villain shows is the best he can have for us.
    Was thinking about this and slowly convincing myself that I can make a tight fold in these spots.
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    10-15-2021 , 09:41 PM
    And regarding this defend, this hand isn't a defend. But QT75 with queen high and ten high suits is a defend! It being that close is why I'm not concerned.
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    10-20-2021 , 08:08 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
    And regarding this defend, this hand isn't a defend. But QT75 with queen high and ten high suits is a defend! It being that close is why I'm not concerned.
    This hand isn’t a call preflop but it’s really close! QT68ds is the worse hand that calls here but is still -EV -0.87BBs to be exact. and is the worse hand that calls in this exact spot. Interesting to note that according to moniker solvers were only supposed to call 14% of hands. It’s also interesting that our calling range as a whole is -EV LOL. Even QQT9ds is -EV by 0.26 BBs.
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    10-20-2021 , 08:19 PM
    That sounds about right, I believe my rake structure was slightly lower than the actual structure of stars .5/1
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    10-20-2021 , 08:21 PM
    Are there +EV calling ranges with lower rake?
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    10-23-2021 , 05:31 AM
    I know I suggested RIO on another thread of yours but if you haven't used a solver trainer, a subscription to either RIO Visions or PLOTrainer might be a big help to you, even if you only subscribe for a month. If you you only pick up a few things from them, they should pay for themselves.

    Although I'm a noob, PLOTrainer helped me a lot.
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    10-23-2021 , 03:57 PM
    I've had PLO mastermind with the PLO trainer web app, plan on getting vision next.
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