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08-27-2009 , 12:00 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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Villain was playing 15/1 with an AF of 2.

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $48.35
UTG: $26.93
MP: $22.95
CO: $20.96
BTN: $183.15

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q

UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) A

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $2.55, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.95

Turn: ($5.85) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.85, Hero requests TIME

Barely noticed villain at all until he raised my flop bet. He's so tight passive that this is gonna be aces a lot of the time. Since we b/c flop, is it okay to c/f turn? How should we proceed?

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08-27-2009 , 12:24 PM

AsRequested

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if those nitty stats are over a good sample size a fold really seems reasonable to me.

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08-27-2009 , 12:34 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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Originally Posted by AsRequested

if those nitty stats are over a good sample size a fold really seems reasonable to me.

120hands. Basically the whole session up to that point.

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08-27-2009 , 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AsRequested

if those nitty stats are over a good sample size a fold really seems reasonable to me.

i like this but the sample size has to be decently big, less than 100 hands im probably not folding

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08-27-2009 , 12:46 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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Originally Posted by mdb77

i like this but the sample size has to be decently big, less than 100 hands im probably not folding

I left # of hands outta the op cuz I really dont think its all that relevent actually. Even if it was only 25 hands, I think his stats and the flop texture are the most important factors here.

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08-27-2009 , 12:48 PM

AsRequested

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Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl

120hands. Basically the whole session up to that point.

he just seems to be one of those huge nits.

he doesn't have a big rundown a lot since we have 2 queens and a king - and those people are often even to bad to 3bet those hands in position.

so i think a fold would be good, not that i really do fold often in these spots.

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08-27-2009 , 12:52 PM

muckmylife

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I'm not sure what your hand req's are for raising in the blinds, but I think a raise here pf would help better define your opponents hand. If villian is super nitty why does he pot the turn on a wheel board w/AAxx? Does he have AA23? A235? I dunno. My point is, I think if you raise pf bet the flop and get raised, it's an easy fold for me against this guy. As it is your sort of guessing.

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08-27-2009 , 12:57 PM

antneye

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I need a really good read to fold here. The limp UTG should really eliminate AA from his range...He may be a nit, but even nits raise AA UTG at PLO 25.

I think we see AQxx or A5XX for more often than AA here. I may lose my stack, but I think I am getting it in on the turn here. I like calling on the flop as you did because I think we blow him off his likely two pair at that point in the hand if we re-raise flop.

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08-27-2009 , 01:05 PM

agnostia

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Ok... Why not repot his raise on the flop? If he repots you there, then I can find a fold. He he just calls the flop 3 bet then bet pot or close to it on the turn. I don't think villian has the wheel very often. More than anything, I see him having something like AQxx or A wrap of some sort. Anyway, if it were me I just keep betting. Get the money in.

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08-27-2009 , 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

There are tons of guys who limp decent aces utg at 25plo, but fwiw, villain was bb not utg.

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08-27-2009 , 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by agnostia

Ok... Why not repot his raise on the flop? If he repots you there, then I can find a fold.

My initial thought was this would be stupid, but actually it makes a lot of sense. Sadly I dont think Im capable of 3bet folding 2nd set on a dry ace-high flop in a limped pot quite yet. But will definately keep this in mind.

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08-27-2009 , 01:29 PM

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Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $48.35
UTG: $26.93
MP: $22.95
CO: $20.96
BTN: $183.15

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q

UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) A

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $2.55, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.95

Turn: ($5.85) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.85, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $22.30 all in, BB calls $16.45

River: ($50.45) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.45
Hero shows Q

(three of a kind, Queens)
BB shows A

(three of a kind, Aces)
BB wins $47.93
(Rake: $2.52)

Just couldnt do it, hehe

I probably could have called turn and gotten to SD w/o losing my whole stack. I suck.

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08-27-2009 , 01:50 PM

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yeah, i don't think a worse hand is calling your turn checkraise. on that board, his range is pretty much AA, 55. in a limped pot, nitty guys like to call with a broadway wrap and pop out of the cake when it hits.
So just call the turn and check/decide on river. I would be surprised if he v-bets bottom set.

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08-27-2009 , 02:56 PM

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antneye

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Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl

There are tons of guys who limp decent aces utg at 25plo, but fwiw, villain was bb not utg.

It makes a hug difference imho. I would be more alarmed since a nit is more likely to be showing up with AA from the blinds. I still prolly lose my stack cause thats what i do lol

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08-27-2009 , 03:39 PM

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I wouldn't fold. Cooler imo.

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08-27-2009 , 03:59 PM

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jwc529

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I'd fold the flop against this player

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