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04-03-2011 , 08:17 AM

Foxtorpedo

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Villain is 17/0/2.0 over 6 hands

Can we call river and what do we expect villain to have?

$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
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Stacks:
Foxtorpedo (UTG) ($194.15)
UTG+1 ($112.30)
CO ($149.65)
BTN ($61.25)
SB ($47)
BB ($151.60)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Foxtorpedo is UTG 8

Foxtorpedo raises to $3, 3 folds, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: 2

($7, 2 players)
SB checks, Foxtorpedo bets $4, SB calls $4

Turn: 6

($15, 2 players)
SB bets $9, Foxtorpedo calls $9

River: 6

($33, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $31, $31 to Foxtorpedo ($178.15)?

Last edited by Foxtorpedo; 04-03-2011 at 08:26 AM.

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04-03-2011 , 08:48 AM

chinz

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You beat nothing but a pure OOP float and those stats even over 6 hands make it way less likely that he is bat**** crazy (I mean like 90/50/11 crazy)... why would you want to call?

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04-03-2011 , 09:09 AM

Foxtorpedo

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^Guess it boils down to what is he leading with on the turn instead of cr'ing?

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04-03-2011 , 09:36 AM

Tsajajaja

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You played it optimaly if u snap called river

Think about what kind of hands he lead out most of time at turn this deep and what kind of hands he shove for value at river and which hands he would check call.

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04-03-2011 , 09:40 AM

Tsajajaja

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to chinz are u folding AA78 at river also? If not why?

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04-03-2011 , 09:41 AM

Doorbread

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i'm confused but i'm folding

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04-03-2011 , 12:11 PM

AveeMaria

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^ +1

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04-03-2011 , 12:15 PM

chinz

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

to chinz are u folding AA78 at river also? If not why?

In case you're implying AA78 is the same against 50bb random at PLO100, it's not ainec. Villain could easily be bluffing with better hands or taking some random "I don't want to check-call the turn with my QQ so I lead" line

Also check-calling paired flop and leading the turn is "fish flopping trips 101" and also "fish boating up on the turn 101" line.

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04-03-2011 , 01:01 PM

Mt.FishNoob

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agree with chinz... easy fold... his line has a 2*** here very often and theres plenty of other possibilities, combine this with his stats... and duh fold

cc donk leads are real annoying,,,, some villains its always a float bluff, some they always have it, id put a note

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04-03-2011 , 01:25 PM

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GoGetaRealJob

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Vroom doesn't have many players who would bluff here IMO. Also, people repping trip deuces never bluff

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04-03-2011 , 01:46 PM

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Tsajajaja

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Originally Posted by chinz

Villain could easily be bluffing with better hands or taking some random "I don't want to check-call the turn with my QQ so I lead" line

Is villain shoving QQ at river? value or bluff?

*Maxtilt*

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04-03-2011 , 01:49 PM

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chinz

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

Is villain shoving QQ at river? value or bluff?

I don't know (about value/bluff part) and they probably don't know either. They just shove.

That's what people who buy-in for less than 50bb at smallstakes do.

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04-03-2011 , 01:54 PM

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Tsajajaja

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Turn opens fd and straightdraw, does that have any meaning when making decision? Or are we just gonna fold because lol trrips lol lead out never a bluff

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04-03-2011 , 01:57 PM

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chinz

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So you think he is simply check/calling flop OOP so he can donkbet bluff us on turn/river?

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04-03-2011 , 02:00 PM

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Tsajajaja

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theres no reason why he cant have hand like 789T ect or hand with 7 and fd which decided to lead out turn. if he had trips why he wouldnt go for cr this deep? and why would overpair check call flop and lead out turn? or why would he basicaly lead out turn with anything he wanna get money in?

"gotta protect my hand against flushdraw"?

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04-03-2011 , 02:07 PM

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chinz

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

if he had trips why he wouldnt go for cr this deep? and why would overpair check call flop and lead out turn? or why would he basicaly lead out turn with anything he wanna get money in?

I'm not sure if you're just trolling or you seriously think any of these questions is relevant at all when villain is buying in for 47bb at PLO100?

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"gotta protect my hand against flushdraw"?

Isn't it pretty standard for fish to get afraid that the hand checks through and he doesn't get the stacks in?

Also that "gotta protect my hand against a flushdraw" is not really that ******ed (I mean not ******ed to think our villain could be leading for that exact reason; "oh no, the board got drawy, he might suck out of my trips/KK/whatever")

I just don't see what kind of range he is calling the flop with to show up OTR with a range against which we have over 30% equity.

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04-03-2011 , 02:09 PM

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Vanhaomena

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Post this hand on HSPLO so that the stakes are edited to $50/$100 if you want theory discussion instead of people discussing tendencies of shortstacking donks

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04-03-2011 , 02:10 PM

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Mt.FishNoob

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more likely villain leads turn because there are draws now out... doubt villain shoves a dry 7 on river... it makes little sense+ we have a 7, srsly it seems even putting 10% of his range behind our hands is too much

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04-03-2011 , 02:12 PM

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donkeykong2

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

if we call down vs the donk bet on the turn so lightly it seems correct to play the trips like that. i dont really think leading out the turn makes a significant difference to checkraising the flop here with anything. he can have a 2 that is waiting for you to hit something on the turn e.g. but it is not really the intuitive play so maybe we should call down lighter.

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04-03-2011 , 05:29 PM

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Foxtorpedo

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I guess I can post results

Thanks for all answers!

River: 6

($33, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $31, Foxtorpedo calls $31

Final Pot: $95
Foxtorpedo shows two pair, Sevens and Sixes
8

SB shows
A

Foxtorpedo wins $92 (net +$45)

SB lost $47

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04-03-2011 , 05:42 PM

#21

crashwhips

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I think it's a close spot. I usually call in these types of situations cause you see spazzes like you did from random halfstackers a decent amount, but I think it might be a leak and folding is probably better. And though he probably wouldn't turn KK or QQ into a bluff nor shove for value/defense with them on the river (although it's certainly possible), I can very reasonably see him playing 88-JJ with a draw like this, and he pretty much has to be floating a bizarre hand oop or have exactly a 7 that picked up a draw on the turn for us to have him beat.

Last edited by crashwhips; 04-03-2011 at 05:47 PM.

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04-03-2011 , 06:12 PM

#22

Mt.FishNoob

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this is down to meta... he can only have air if you are ahead,,, he had air... nice call,,, but it is not standard at all.... stupid thread imo was obvious that you called and won from when you posted in the LC thread, I even had some bizarre suspicion it was all some tsajajaja epic level

like i said some villains are always float bluffing here because they are smartasses or try to be, but most aren't. make a note

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04-03-2011 , 11:20 PM

#23

Tsajajaja

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

stupid thread imo was obvious that you called and won from when you posted in the LC thread

I would rather say that some of answers where stupid because most of arguments for folding is that because villain stacksize. I would rather actualy pay attention what he is repping/doing and If Im confused and I have bluffcatcher Im calling

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

I even had some bizarre suspicion it was all some tsajajaja epic level

Whole hand is well played imo and Im not levelling. Infocalling all day long.

Edit I would also say this is pretty marginal spot and there should not be too big. dif are we calling or folding here. This kind of hands dont happen too often

Last edited by Tsajajaja; 04-03-2011 at 11:28 PM.

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