Fishnoob, whenever I read more than 1 consecutive post of yours I get this overwhelming desire to make MSPaints about you. I'll be honest - that's generally not a good sign, bro.

lol bring on the paints plz czi. in all honesty i think the mods need to actually thinkk about perma banning fishn00b. he's bad for the forums and when he isn't trolling the regulars he's leveling the n00bs in ssplo who don't know enough to know that he is full of ****.

That's a bit much, stop the hate!

bet size is directly correlated with calling frequency, if you think me trying to get that across is some kind of level or troll then lol

The only people who are annoyed by my posts are those that don't understand them or disagree with what they have posted themselves, or if it advocates a playing style which is different to theirs, which is an ego issue and not my problem. The only problem I have with these forums is when people oppose the conclusion of my reasoning without any actually reasoning. Which is what I come here for, reasoning

Tbf I'm not sure if these forums are good for my life or game I seem to be addicted to arguing with people about poker aswell as all the other addictions I have. Gonna try stay away more, its too time consuming and It is very rare someone has a new thought for me to obtain.

"It is very rare someone has a new thought for me to obtain."

of course since you very seldom give up your initial idea, at least from the posts I have seen.

I was going to make a post similar to this earlier. It's not unusual for me to change my mind during the process of a HH discussion, or at least concede that i can see how the other persons thought process works and acknowledge they have made a solid argument. You should try and keep more of an open mind Fishnoob, as trying to railroad ppl into your line of thinking with an often incoherent and/or inconsistent line of argument is just alienating ppl.

yeah you are especially anti-social even for an internet forum about poker. you should try addressing other people's points instead of tyring to beat our heads into the concrete with yours, and you know everyone could possibly benefit.

Remember when I told you a few months ago that your arrogant attitude towards differing opinions tilts me? I suggest you ponder on that for a minute or two, especially in relation to this thread...

I generally only post when I disagree with something. Before I disagree I have already read and considered their argument, alot of the time it is something that I used to think before but have moved on from like hands that should just be mucked on the SB. I always state reasoning. When analysing x:y I always weigh both up, if Y is higher than X I say why, and then in return I get tilted to **** because people just come along after that haven't even posted in the thread yet and say the opposite 'matter of fact' without any reasoning other than repeating what was said in post 2 and 3 i.e 'b/c turn omg we have x hand' or 'fishnoob stop levelling that is wrong'

I refuse to change my mind without a reason too that actually has something to do with the ratios involved in the situation and not in the social/ego external part of whats going on.

anyway tldr I will stay away and focus on building my bankroll


This thread disproves this imo. I don't care if x has value. All I care about is x:y and if x has less value than y then x is - in value regardless of its value relative to 0. incoherent is 1st perspective based hence why I said 'people who don't understand' and inconsistent yes, I often adapt my argument to emphasise on different parts because they do not seem to get through. Anyway ty for an actual mature post/explanation, gl

arrogance is another 1st perspective view. Arrogance is a word I do not like as the perception is produced by ones ego. I.e non confident people view confident people as 'arrogant'. Those who do not like themselves view those with more vanity as 'arrogant'. Those who have a belief view those who have a different belief and won't change their belief are viewed as 'arrogant' The poor person who sees the rich man views him as arrogant.

I am argumentative and stubborn in nature but arrogance is something which only exists in the eye of the beholder. neway w/e you guys want to think about me i don't care. see u at the tables

I would prefer if intresting hands would have 4 pages of discussion instead of this kind of bs

+1 and it happens very frequently with a certain stubborn poster

his calling range is inelastic to bet size imo unless u bet something ridiculously small

the bet sizing that could be changed is flop and turn. flop is really dry and you're going cbet it a lot, so don't pot. the turn gets drawier and the nuts change but you have the nfd too

in my experience he has a lot A***, never 56** or 9T after cc turn, c river

"The lady doth protest too much"

Yes, it is a matter of opinion. I have no problem with anyone being confident, regardless of what you're implying. The rich/poor thing is just... weird.

Imo, a person can be stubborn without being arrogant. The line is crossed when the stubborn individual starts bashing the opposing arguments.

In other words, easy on the trash talk and cool down a bit. I know it's irritating to hear about character flaws, and I don't know you IRL, but heed this friendly advice. I want you to keep giving your input in the threads here, but it can be done in a more constructive manner.

fishn00b for hsplo/ssplo mod please

it would be a ghost town of bans until we fell in line lol

what is a "mod"??

someone to monitor/correct our behavior
the green name people

Havn't seen one around here in a fairly long time and Sc00t was a very good poster

Ok I have to finish arguing about this hand because of stubborn addiction. I know I'm right on this one.

By saying this you are saying that his calling frequency is uniform no matter what betsize... which is simply false, he is less likely to call a shove with different parts of his range relative to hand strength. Now if it is insignificant enough then fine say that and there we have to draw the line with a difference of opinion, but it is progressive. 1bb, 10bbs, 22bbs, 30bbs, shove, all have much different calling frequencies because differnt ranges within his range apply and overlap to each betsize, in these games these short stacked villains are very 1dimensional and only look at the relativity between their hand and the pot/bet size. At higher stakes against thinking opponents you can shove as it doesn't really effect your range that much because of spr, but villains down here don't concern themselves with the value of (xrange:y range):,(price) but (hand:board):,(price) only, the ones that call shoves here bet their hands, they have higher aggression factor or whatever, there really are only like 3 types of players in plo10 rush and this one is more than likely a 1st level thinking casual chasey yet tight on showdown value.


I can't agree with this as we have AA** and because these sort of villains will call wide flop and turn to this bet sizing with all those gut shot one pair combos ect.


I use to work in a petrol station and we had this customer who owned a very successful business, had everything, I got on with him very well and respected him immensely, I found him interesting whereas everyone else that worked there found him 'arrogant' and they disliked him. weak egos.


I don't bash the opposing arguments I reason against them. I only bash when someone comes in after my post and repeats posts number 3 and 4 which I have been arguing, without any reasoning or counter reasoning to my reasoning.... regarding x:y

its too tilting and I should just be focusing on my bankroll instead of arguing about things I have argued with myself about a thousand times. I like the 2+2 community but I don't think I should be posting strat anymore. I had this exact same problem on the STT board but stts are a far less interesting and controversial game so I found it easier to stay away, stts are solvable to me, this game isn't. Regarding 'in a constructive manner', you're probably right, I could be nicer or more respectful, but at the end of the day you are all my enemies, I do not care about character perceptions I only care about x:y and arguments for each need to be attacked destroyed and broken apart to find any value in them...

that's why i added my ridiculously small clause, hehe

well there is a significant difference between 0-11bbs, 12-27bbs and 27bbs-shove here relative to calling freq, I don't know if you define 12, 15, 19, 21 or w/e as ridiculously small

Sample size problem? English class society issues? Two ambitious guys getting along? Anyhow, cool story bro!

Happens to us all, yet you're one of the handful of posters who allow this to tilt them. No more excuses, don't bash, period.


You sure you though this one through? My goal for one is not to bust everyone at SSPLO rather than the leagues of fish never entering such forums. If you don't find our opinions valuable, why bother posting? You can just lurk around, reading all sorts of stuff that donks like me reveal about their game, lol.

It's the stubborn vs arrogant thingy again... If you're cynical enough to forget your manners as you enter the internet, at least recognize that not everyone is willing to do so and can actually be offended. Do as you please, as I'm sure you will. Unless the mods catch up with you first, obv...

Hmm I kinda agree with Mt.Fish - exploitive strategy > balanced strategy

I find this all wholly amusing, since Fishnoob's reasoning is usually the most circular and backwards on the forum and is never backed up with anything other than his own banal psychobabble featuring poorly defined and improperly used (in context) terms such as 'relativity' and 'ego'. He also never offers any quantitative analysis of his ideas, which again shows how little he's properly thought them through. Mathematical analysis of various situations is hugely important to improving your game and understanding of situations. I mean this is a guy who gets EV mathematics completely backwards and still wants to be taken seriously. Combined with the fact that most of his posts feature some of the most brutal raping of the English language imaginable, and we're onto a real winner.