I think balance becomes important after plo100, maybe 200 but not in plo10.

River shove for value wp

haha you being up on dp definitely = you being better than him. I believe I played a little 1/2 and 2/4 on stars before and DP once folded to my continuaton bet. does that mean that i get to be better than him too?

value from what? wtf!!! we have to size the bet to infiltrate hands which will call, Shoving ain't gonna do that when his range is so god damn weak relative to ours and the board and he has been c/c!!! I know he only has like 45bbs left or something but he folds so often here to a shove you gotta bet something weird like $1.97, shoving is like 'I have a big hand and you prolly have some weak hand please call?'

bet for value, shove makes them fold too often

faaaaaaaaaaaakin tilting, its rush10 not a plo50+ ring game. I'd shove everytime if it weren't rush10 against some random c/cing shorstack. Not even getting any decent counter argument wtf am I doing, tilted to **** now giving away reasoning with no tradeoff and people who NEVER play these games and so have NO IDEA how avg dumbass villains think in these games.

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak no more

*grunch*
Looks fine to me.

We have to bet the turn. Even if he has the nut straight, as we fear, we still have outs. We have the nut flush draw along with the top full house draw. Also, your UTG raise smells like aces, not quite sure what combination of hands he would call with which would have both a five and a six in it.

Checking behind the river seems wimpy. Sure, he may have made the straight with the oddball 9-10-x-x, but he probably doesn't have it. If he had the nut straight on the flop, he would probably check-raise or bet out to prevent the flush draws from drawing for free.

Set him all in, and expect to take down the pot.

its more like several buy ins over a 15 day period or so before I took literally all my winnings out for the 2nd time and pissed off to tenerife and ****. And I'm not better than him unless he is multi tabling 16 tables or whatever he was doing and I am playing less tables, I know that, I've actually told alot of people who know nothing about poker about how sick this guy is I was playing against. I could never 16+ table 1/2 and play as well as him but still I am up on him, not that I care in anyway or that it proves anything, was just in defence to his bs perception of me.

oh and you are donk live player making money off rich fish and I doubt you're better than anyone who plays online for a living and who has at least 10x more experience than you in a year than you will have lifetime.

haha gimme time i just started to play online. online players are way better than online players especially equal stakes i know that. that doesn't mean you tho. i have learned a lot from 2p2 and i feel like you take away from the forum by derialing threads and putting blatanly wrong information out there. the 5/10 players i have played against are about the same skill level in plo rush 100.

Without argument there is no relativity(****ing everything in poker) and no discussion, I only post in threads when there is something to argue about which alot of people should find real useful including me wtf is the point of putting +1 and agreeing with how ****ing obvious and standard something is? would that make you respect me more?(LIKE I GIV A ****!), there is more than one perspective to this game and understanding them all even if tehy seem or look wrong, is what ultimately gives you the edge, the variation of knowledge/style allowing yo to adjust, the mountain has different faces.

thread has tilted me im off

u seem mad~

its plo10 shove people dont fold sets or 2 pair

THE SETS ARE TOO SMALL A PART OF HIS RANGE! THE MAJORITY OF HIS RANGE ARE HANDS THAT FOLD TO A ****ING SHOVE (+ THERE ARE MORE STRAIGHT COMBOS THAN ****ING SET COMBOS IN HIS RANGE WTF!!!!!)

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i think u missed the part where i said its plo10

he was in the big blind he has anything

people dont fold

its plo10

shoving to target the set part of his range when the straight part of his range is bigger is ****ING STUPID

FALSE UNREASONED BS

fishnoob, I, Dpred, Hattinfat, and im sure a ton of other posters have told you that you are just abysmally bad. I highly doubt you play 200PLO, or are up on DPred.

So you think theres more runner runner straights in his range than sets/strong 2pairs?

I expect villain to cr 56xx here on turn this deep.

I think he played like 5-20 hands in plo100-400 and now is reg at plo10 or so

=winning plo100-400 player imo

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW I CANT BELIEVE I DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE. mtfishn00b is really isildur1. think about it. fishnoob sucks at omaha, so does isildur=plo downswing? i'm pretty sure this is it. in fact i'm almost positive. think about it. you have never seen a picture of isildur1 and mt.fishnoob together in the same place. why? BECAUSE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY THE SAME PERSON. nice tricking us fishn00b you had to know it wasn't gonna work forever.


oh and stick to nlh.

if I had set stars to save my HH to hard drive i would post some from that time if I actually cared enough. But I don't. I come on here to argue about plo not get into ego wars.

It was to the set comment by agyness. And define strong 2 pair, because most of the 2 pairs are Jx at best seeing as how we block him having aces up.

Sets and straights and aces up are all very light. I don't expect villain to call a shove with sevens and 8s and not even Jacks and eights. But they very often call a weird smaller bet in these games (I SHOULD KNOW FFS). If you build his range then break it down shoving is just obviously a waste considering how much of his range folds to shove, and if his calling range is sets/straights and aces up then it is pretty fookin pointless. Its like people don't know how to target parts of a range with specific bet sizing. 'likely best hand = shove' is not optimal in all situations.

I am ashamed of myself for posting again /thread for me srs

well, I for one am going to write about this thread in my diary.

haha dude no way i didn't know isildur played on stars too. under what name?

alright i might've skimmed the posts a bit because of all the flames but basically shove river because he doesn't have the straight? i mean is he calling another street with worse hands after that card comes out to potentially make the straight for my range too?

look, he's clearly a fish, he started with $7 and has called a lot, both of these let us know he's terrible. Shoving can never be awful, though betting smaller could get us more calls. It's possible that money represents the last of his deposit, so he might not want to call it all off but might call a smaller bet. The sizing is less of an issue since his stack is only 2/3 pot, but just make a river value bet

What did villain have in the end?

The point DP is making and you yet again are missing is that his range is irrelevant, yours is as it's completely polarized to him when in fact it isn't.

Pretend we have 9T on the river. Don't just read this and ignore it, actually take a moment to think about how range considerations magically disappear and all we have to consider is what is higher EV, a shove or small bet.

If I have 9T I can bet bigger as there are more aces up in his range, by me having 9T his range is strengthened somewhat meaning you can bet more than with a set of aces as their is a larger calling range within his range to target.

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shove river for value, I'm 99% certain he'll donk-shove river with a straight. He could easily have hit 2 pair or has a random ace. If you lose your balls and won't get 3 streets of value, find another game.