Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players


SB: $7 (14 bb)
BB: $48.25 (96.5 bb)
UTG: $10.10 (20.2 bb)
MP: $48.10 (96.2 bb)
CO: $19.15 (38.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $20.45 (40.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 J 9 8
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 5 K 9 (2 players)
CO bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($8.45) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

River: ($18.45) A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11.60 and is all-in, CO calls $10.30 and is all-in


I'm almost pure floating because this guy has been playing very weak so far, and his bet sizing really looked like a weak attempt at buying the pot.

I don't think he ever C/C the turn with the nuts, and the river doesn't change anything, so I thought it was a good spot to two barrel turn/river.

This is shallow, obviously.

Fold flop imo.

Don't see why this is worth it when we have no nut outs.

Nice bluff, nice hand. Do not fold flop, please.

MA15+

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horrible bluff.

when villain cc you on turn, he's obv not afraid of a straight and will most likely cc the river again (letting you hang yourself)

Are you being sarcastic? Just curious considering most seem to think it's a bad bluff.

Really?

I just can't see what he can call with. I could easily have the nuts, and he's obviously not C/C the turn with the nuts himself given the FD, unless he has the nuts with a redraw, but that's just very unlikely since he would've probably barrelled the turn himself.

I see tons of players at these stakes C/C with a weak picked up FD in that spot, or C/C with a weak 2 pair that folds the river.
I don't think the "if you call the turn you have to call the river applies here", given that he should expect me to give up a ton of the time.

The only things I'm repping are a picked up combo draw after a complete float, a complete bluff after a complete float....or the nuts.

Of all of these, the nuts is clearly the most likely, and I'd expect most players to fold even sets in that spot.
If you're always calling me there with strong made hands, you're losing a ton of money, I guarantee....

^^ you'd be surprised what a villian who short stacks 50plo can show up with. focus on betting more for value or when we have tons of equity. fold flop.

Id be more for bluffing if we 3b pre..

I think part of the reason I don't like this bluff is that for you to rep the nuts, it means you floated the flop with a gs?? Ok maybe if you had QJT9 it's not just a gs.

It's much easier to sell a bluff if the flop is drawier. i.e. oesd, flush draws or paired boards

I agree with the first part. I'm actually pretty tight, around 23/15, and very rarely bluff at these stakes.

This is the first time I've tried something like this, and also why I'm posting it.
I want to expand my game and I know that I'll need to be able to pull this kind of move against regs when I go up in stakes if I don't want to turn out like FGators and go BE for 1 million hands, lol.

I thought this guy was a good semi-reg weak player to try this move on.
Obviously if I 3bet pre, I'm CBetting this close to 100% of the time.

Yea, I though I repped TQJ* pretty well. It's just that I don't know what else he can put me on besides a complete bluff after a complete float, or a picked up FD.
Guess he went with the second possibility...

Good thing is though, he called me with garbage 10 hands later when I had the nuts, so not a horrible result altogether...
In the end, I think it was a bad bluff against this guy, but I think it would work against an average tight player at these stakes, but maybe not.

Would've helped if I could've shoved for more than 1/2 pot too, I guess..

The ability to bluff is very player dependent...it's not simply repping the nuts each time a scary card hits the board

You must not've read my posts at all, because that's exactly what I say on top of giving my thought process as to why I thought this guy was a good test subject for that particular bluff.

It's also pretty much exactly the gist of the post you quoted.

Sounds like you just want us to tell you it is an ok bluff and you rep the nut straight.

Like I said, your opponent is short stacking 50plo and most likely doesn't care about your stats/what you rep. Bet for value and don't bluff these opponents as often.

You're wrong about that. This: "it's not simply repping the nuts each time a scary card hits the board", sounds very condescending and is exactly the point I was making myself, which is why I allowed myself to point it out.

I've already addressed the whole "bet only for value" argument and feel that you're basically not even reading what I'm writing and just repeating the same thing over and over again.

I'm not ******ed. I know how to bet for value, and as I said this is the first time I ever, in 50k+ hands of 6max PLO, try this play.
I think it'd be much more interesting to discuss the legitimacy of the play, either in a vaccum or against an other type of opponent, etc...

if you think it's a bad play, what kind of opponent do you think it would work against?
Against no one?
etc...

Just saying "look buddy, this is PLO50 and all you have to do is bet for value" is not very helpful and also slightly condescending.

Yes, I know I have to bet for value, that was not the point. Point was, is there anything to this bluff, ever. Basically, what do you think of these spots as bluffing opportunities, do you think I should've been deeper, what do you think villain's range is when he C/C the turn after leading the flop for 1/2 pot, etc...

That was the kind of feedback I was hoping for, not someone taking an opportunity to look down on us "shallow tablers" and pointing out that there's no play to be had, etc...which is what you're implying.

And it's wrong, by the way. I play these games every day, and I see everything, including people folding the 2nd nuts on a regular basis when villain is not repping anything, and I guarantee that there's a lot of room for play if you tailor them to your opponents carefully.

If you don't find any play room with 40 bb, you're just not looking hard enough.

Pre isn't terrible but I doubt +EV.

Flop if you think hes weak, raise him kinda large. But given how it played out, your line isn't that terrible but I doubt hes folding river with the range that c/ced turn unless it was something without showdown value, doubt most players can fold river with two pair without you having good reads. If he can fold rivers after calling with marginal hands then this bluff isn't bad but without that knowledge, you are just hoping he folds.

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Yea, my hope was that he would fold two pair close to 100% of the time.
I often see the "turn call with the hope that villain (in this case me) shuts down" type play at these stakes, but not in this hand I guess.

I thought it was standard to fold two pair in that spot, and to be honest, in his spot without reads, I'm folding two pair there, probably on the turn already actually, but I guess once he called, I should've shut down.

Assuming he is a competent player, but we have no reason to believe that.

You are way over analyzing the game at 50plo. I have played 50plo/shallow and still do. The point is most of the time you are burning money by trying to bluff ss, so I'm saying do it when you have some decent equity..

I have no problem after villian checks the turn w/ the way the hand played out. I just think you should 3bet pre or raise the flop.

You are going to get called by A5xx, AKxx and A9xx a ton here.

Why are you so defensive?

It's one hand that you lost. So you tried something and it didnt work. You chose to post it in this forum for feedback and you've received such. Yet with each response, you seem to take offense and must back up your play.

If you feel your play was good and +EV in the long run, continue to bluff this way...no need to solicit opinion then. But you asked, so try to discuss rationally.

FWIW, I feel bluffing at 50bb tables much difficult because the SPR is lower and once people get past the turn card, they feel committed. Not only that but it seems that there is more gambol at these tables so you'll see lighter calls.