So far what I've seen is that bluffing from most people in PLO is far and few in between. It is quite bizarre. There are so many instances where people will play face up or practically tell you that the river paired board, flush made, or straight completion definitely doesnt hit them and they won't call a bet. Raise bluffing even less. However, I think this leads to a ton of profitability at times depending on the game you are in. It depends on a few factors:
1. How deep is the game
-the games I play are usually 250-400BB deep.
2. Can you figure out player tendencies well enough to figure out who can you target in certain spots?
3. Your bluff makes sense.
I think bluffing is undervalued and not done a lot at high stakes PLO because many play exactly like they do at lower stakes--very multiway to the flop and hit or miss. If you play online high stakes-you will see the raise bluffing a helluva lot more. It all depends on the game. Hope that helps.
As a general rule of thumb I wouldn’t call KK on 567 very often, and I certainly wouldn’t bet this river.
I don’t think many people even at the highest stakes are shipping this river with the lone Qc here often enough for you to ever even have to think about it.
What software are you using?
Game theory optimal doesn’t necessarily translate into splashy game optimal.
I'm using Omaha Poker Training (same developers as Advanced Poker Training).
I trained 50,000 hands on PokerSnowie to get super comfortable playing against anyone in NLH. Then I unlearned GTO and play far more exploitable now to crush live games.
I'm a total noob in PLO. So I was planning on using the OPT solver to do the same thing. I've trained 20,000 hands so far.
My goal is to not feel uncomfortable playing against anyone in live high stakes PLO games. But if the best live players aren't anywhere close to GTO, it feels kind of pointless to train on higher difficulties with this solver.
High stakes plo players bluff very agressively (because its more profitable than not bluffing agressively).
It seems reasonable for villain to turn a hand with no showdown equity into a bluff with 2 useful blockers - a hi flush blocker less important when it is backdoored.
EP open hero calls SB AQQT8 four ways to 225r checks through, turn T checks through. River 8, EP stabs $150, hero c/r to $600, folds. May have been raising for value but I didn't think so in the moment, I was trying to get KK and AA to fold.
High stakes plo players bluff very agressively (because its more profitable than not bluffing agressively).
It seems reasonable for villain to turn a hand with no showdown equity into a bluff with 2 useful blockers - a hi flush blocker less important when it is backdoored.
This is what I was worried about. I thought pros were only this high level and this aggressive online. Am I going to run into pros who play like JNandez if I play 5-10 and 10-25 PLO at WSOP Circuit events?
EP open hero calls SB AQQT8 four ways to 225r checks through, turn T checks through. River 8, EP stabs $150, hero c/r to $600, folds. May have been raising for value but I didn't think so in the moment, I was trying to get KK and AA to fold.
I used to do this too. Then I would get hero-called by A2xx. Everyone's so afraid of the nuts at 5-5 PLO.
If I'm the EP opener, I'm betting that flop with any big pair and any 2 (quarter-pot sizing).
This is what I was worried about. I thought pros were only this high level and this aggressive online. Am I going to run into pros who play like JNandez if I play 5-10 and 10-25 PLO at WSOP Circuit events?
Plo games tend to play bigger than NL games of the same stake.
Which means you should expect a few crushers at 10-25. 5-10 not as tough but would still expect some very capable players.
He has AQ high with just a Qc blocker to the third nuts.
There are certain spots in PLO that are under bluffed and I think this is one of them. When someone bets a 1-liner to a straight there is very rarely any bluff raising. When there is a bluff raise, its usually exactly 88 blockers.
The reason why its underbluffed because people generally have it when they bet in the first place and its suicide to bluff raise in that spot. If anyone chooses to bluff raise there they generally get rekt and learn not to do it.
Until they catch on its almost always the best strat in live plo to take aggressive lines esp river. Ppl fold crazy hands on basically all streets bc if they call flop they have to call turn/riv etc so unless theyve really got it they fold. Have it make sense but just go for it im sure youll have a nice time
