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07-26-2010 , 04:10 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BB: $116.25
Hero (UTG): $102.00
MP: $46.25
CO: $71.85
BTN: $46.75
SB: $91.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with J 8 9 T
Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T 2 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($10.75) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $11

River: ($50.75) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $13.50, Hero ??

this was a really weird hand... villain was fishy, playing 40/2, didn't have any reads other than that. under what conditions would you raise the turn and wtf do i do on the river here? although i don't think he has a boat here very often i was afraid he might not fold a straight if i shove... fold/shove/call?

on the turn i'm 40-60 dog against random 79xx.
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07-26-2010 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BB: $13.92
UTG: $6.78
MP: $11.08
CO: $12.88
BTN: $10.65
Hero (SB): $10.31

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K T A J
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) 3 Q K (3 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP folds, BTN calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.40) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.85, BTN calls $1.85

River: ($7.10) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.50, Hero folds



no real reads on villain. only like 20 hands on him and i just joined the table.

check/fold turn?

don't mean to pick on u or anything but your betsizing is in general too small in many of your posts. you get yourself in bad spots on later streets especially OOP where you end up folding, what is your WTSD if u have database?

with top pair and wrap I'm ready to stack off here, I'd bet 1.4+ on flop and keep going with it, especially on a 4 of diamonds since it brings another FD, and we're kind of committed, with the SPR, and he's very unlikely to have set

idk i guess we have to fold river, but don't c/f turn, u give people so much credit
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07-26-2010 , 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
don't mean to pick on u or anything but your betsizing is in general too small in many of your posts. you get yourself in bad spots on later streets especially OOP where you end up folding, what is your WTSD if u have database?
Yeah, i'm a former SNG player, so my betsizes are mostly between 1/2-2/3 pot and allin. My WTSD is 28% over 25k hands.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
with top pair and wrap I'm ready to stack off here, I'd bet 1.4+ on flop and keep going with it, especially on a 4 of diamonds since it brings another FD, and we're kind of committed, with the SPR, and he's very unlikely to have set

idk i guess we have to fold river, but don't c/f turn, u give people so much credit
i did expect a raise by a hand that beats me on the flop or turn tbh, but there is very little that i beat on the river that he wouldn't check behind and i don't give him credit for turning a set into a bluff.
Still not used to most standard equities ie. my specific hand vs. a certain range, that leads to a lot of (bad) guessing.
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07-26-2010 , 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
My WTSD is 28% over 25k hands.
hmm that's higher than I thought it would be
it could be that way because of low VPIP or general passivity at PLO10 too

mine's just under 25 this year, same as my VPIP and I make some stupid calls, lol

you're just going to find it difficult assigning ranges when you bet weakly, and you'll see that when you're OOP with PSBs left it's rare that you want calls.
a loose standard I think I might employ myself is when you're OOP or ery multiway, very drawy board or with not many PSBs left, think of betting bigger if you're betting at all

on the other hand if you are HU or IP or dry/locked down boards or vs loose passives, or rather deep you can start to tweak your sizing to the smaller end whether it's for inducing/managing pot size for 3 streets/ or based on read of certain players
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07-28-2010 , 07:20 AM
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PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($24.50)
Hero ($84.05)
UTG ($178)
UTG+1 ($82.45)
CO ($51.80)
BTN ($62.40)

Dealt to Hero Q 8 J 8

UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls $1.75, fold, BTN calls $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.25

FLOP ($7.25) J 8 3

Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

TURN ($7.25) J 8 3 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $5.50, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls $5.50, Hero raises to $28.90, UTG calls $23.40, BTN folds

RIVER ($70.55) J 8 3 5 8

Hero ?

bet the river or check hoping he'd turn missed draw in to a bluff? do i miss value from stuff like overpair+fd? also is it ok to check the turn? villain is a reg, pretty solid afaik.

BTW is this forum always this quiet? not a lot of replies to my previous posts...
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07-28-2010 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom7
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PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($24.50)
Hero ($84.05)
UTG ($178)
UTG+1 ($82.45)
CO ($51.80)
BTN ($62.40)

Dealt to Hero Q 8 J 8

UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls $1.75, fold, BTN calls $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.25

FLOP ($7.25) J 8 3

Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

TURN ($7.25) J 8 3 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $5.50, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls $5.50, Hero raises to $28.90, UTG calls $23.40, BTN folds

RIVER ($70.55) J 8 3 5 8

Hero ?

bet the river or check hoping he'd turn missed draw in to a bluff? do i miss value from stuff like overpair+fd? also is it ok to check the turn? villain is a reg, pretty solid afaik.

BTW is this forum always this quiet? not a lot of replies to my previous posts...
you'd be better off posting some HHs in threads of their own, especially this hand where you're looking for solid advice, most replies here are pretty basic.

We've repped strength on the turn and I think most sollid regs are checking back this river alot, if villain was monkey who cannot help but make suicide bluffs when checked too when they have no showdown value/missed a draw then checking is good but vs. a reg I think shoving is good since I don't think he's gonna be bluffing much when checked too and may decide to call us down light once in a while with hands he would otherwise check back.
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07-28-2010 , 10:53 AM
^ thought about this hand some more. We are repping pretty much exclusively jj** 88** if we shove river if we think villain is solid reg, he will know this is what we're repping. Our range consists of jj** 88**, maybe j8** with redraw although this deep he may not think we are gonna turn up with j8** much, and a tonne of missed wrap+flush combo draws which makes up most of our range cos there's just so darned many of them on this turn. Since we've repped strength on turn, if river bricks and we have a missed draw with no showdown value, we're going to be shipping a tonne of the time and villain should know this, so if we ship river villain is gonna perceive our river shipping range as fairly wide and will have to call us light atleast some of the time, and if he is not great we can bluff this spot all day long with our missed draws and get away with it. When we check, anything with any showdown value villain is checking back obv. and it's not a great spot to bluff if he does have air, so I'd expect him to check back his missed draws way more often than shove them. To balance I'd be shoving like 95%+ of the time with our hand here since we want to be shoving our missed draws a tonne too.
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07-28-2010 , 11:35 AM
Poker Stars $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (CO): $134.55
BTN: $125.00
SB: $184.15
BB: $142.80
UTG: $51.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J T Q 8
UTG raises to $2.10, Hero calls $2.10, BTN calls $2.10, SB raises to $11.10, 1 fold, UTG calls $9, Hero calls $9, BTN calls $9

Flop: ($44.90) 6 7 K (4 players)
SB bets $35.00, UTG raises to $40.80

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HIT THE FLOP
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07-28-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Olangotang
^ thought about this hand some more. We are repping pretty much exclusively jj** 88** if we shove river if we think villain is solid reg, he will know this is what we're repping. Our range consists of jj** 88**, maybe j8** with redraw although this deep he may not think we are gonna turn up with j8** much, and a tonne of missed wrap+flush combo draws which makes up most of our range cos there's just so darned many of them on this turn. Since we've repped strength on turn, if river bricks and we have a missed draw with no showdown value, we're going to be shipping a tonne of the time and villain should know this, so if we ship river villain is gonna perceive our river shipping range as fairly wide and will have to call us light atleast some of the time, and if he is not great we can bluff this spot all day long with our missed draws and get away with it. When we check, anything with any showdown value villain is checking back obv. and it's not a great spot to bluff if he does have air, so I'd expect him to check back his missed draws way more often than shove them. To balance I'd be shoving like 95%+ of the time with our hand here since we want to be shoving our missed draws a tonne too.
thanks for the input.

yeah i think we have to bet this. i wonder if there's any merit to a smaller bet though. like 1/4th or 1/5th of the pot to try to get more calls from bluff catchers since his made hands are so weak.

anyways, this time i decided to check because i couldn't think of any made hands he would call my bet because it'd look so strong. he checked behind and showed up with AA67ds having overpair+two fds+oesd on the turn.

knowing his hand i think turn is pretty interesting also i.e. is call or shove better from his perspective? he completely dominates every kind of draws i might have and is flipping if i have a set.

this game is toughhhhh... uggggh.
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07-28-2010 , 11:14 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $10.60
SB: $17.18
BB: $7.67
UTG: $10.41
Hero (MP): $10.45
CO: $11.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Q K J A
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 3 folds, BB calls $0.35, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.40) 9 8 K (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero gives up unless turn is an offsuit T or A right?


UTG is 27/10/AF:3.3 over 520 hands.
BB is 36/2/AF:3.0 over 150 hands.
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07-29-2010 , 03:53 AM
sounds like a good plan to me!
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07-29-2010 , 04:21 PM
Standard fold?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $63.20
SB: $193.55
Hero (BB): $103.95
UTG: $31.75
MP: $182.00
CO: $61.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K 9 K 3
UTG raises to $1.75, MP raises to $6, 2 folds, SB requests TIME, 1 fold, Hero calls $5.50, UTG raises to $24.25, MP raises to $79, 1 fold, UTG calls $7.50 all in
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07-29-2010 , 05:53 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $9.03
BB: $10.48
Hero (UTG): $11.32
MP: $28.50
CO: $7.00
BTN: $10.21

CO posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is UTG with A J 8 A
Hero raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.70) 7 4 A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30, CO folds, SB calls $1.30

Turn: ($5.60) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $4, Hero folds


SB is unknown but is on a 3 or 4 of my tables.
I'm pretty much always smashed here on the turn right?
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07-29-2010 , 06:10 PM
wp imo... but im a losing nit... soooo
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07-30-2010 , 07:09 PM
Rush 100 so readless other than BTN Villain is a single tabling scandi.

Preflop was a miss-click initially meant to raise but when everyone else came along I didn't re-raise.

Given Villains p/f actions I'm taking KKxx out of their ranges

Obviously on flop I'm not folding NFD then on the turn what is the best plan?

Shove, Check Call or Check Raise?


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $100.00
MP: $21.50
CO: $98.00
BTN: $96.35
SB: $119.00
BB: $121.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T T J A
Hero calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $2, BTN calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($8.50) 2 K 7 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, BTN raises to $28.50, BB folds, Hero calls $23.50, CO calls $23.50

Turn: ($94.00) Q (3 players)
Hero ???
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07-30-2010 , 08:04 PM
^shove or c/c stack is fine, only mistake we can make is folding this hand. On this turn we want both players to stack off vs. us as we're drawing to nuts, and doesn't look like we have much fold equity open shoving but may force one player to fold which would be bad with our hand so I'd prolly c/c stacks and hope all the money goes in 3way, but really shoving or c/c are both fine

edit: if villain[s] dont pot it then ship over top
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07-31-2010 , 01:18 PM
Villain didn't fold to a 3bet the entire match and played very aggressively in most spots. Was 100% VPIP bb and sb with 40% 3bet and 30% 4bet. These stats over 170 hands. Had a few reads in single raised pots such as donks pot strong, donks smaller with drawing hands but nothing special from 3bet pots.

Haven't seem him as a station. Would likely have viewed me as fairly tight, I didn't have much choice given his style but that's not to say I wasn't fighting back in 3bet pots.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $62.40
BTN/SB: $48.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with T Q 9 J
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 2 K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN/SB calls $6

Turn: ($21.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $12.50, BTN/SB calls $12.50

River: ($46.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $39.40 all in

This guy had similarly psychotic stats to the above, again no real amazing reads regarding post flop play in 3bet pots.

Haven't seen this guy as a station either. I presume he viewed me as a fairly straightforward player, nothing overly crazy had happened yet in the match surprisingly.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $51.25
BTN/SB: $120.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7 T Q 9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) A 3 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN/SB calls $6

Turn: ($21.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $14, BTN/SB calls $14

River: ($49.00) K (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $26.75 all in

This guy has been playing fairly aggressively/decently but over few hands, 30 or so. He won two buyins off me in short order after I floated his small flop raise after I 3bet and turned a wrap that I had to call on A97r4 where he had A9, along with him flopping bare KT on QJ9tt after 3betting when i had T8 with the fd.

He could view me as anything from a mental fish to a decent player depending on his interpretation of the first stacking hand.

Anyway in the T8 hand I made the same betsize and shove as below.

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BB: $279.50
Hero (BTN/SB): $61.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 J J 6
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 8 T K (2 players)
BB bets $5.75, Hero raises to $16, BB calls $10.25

Turn: ($41.00) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $41

In all the above I was 3betting around 20%

I guess this isn't really all that quick checkup but I didn't want to make 3 threads.
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07-31-2010 , 05:39 PM
hand1: i´d pot/call turn, as played c/f river.

hand2:bet more on the flop, then give up.

hand3:dont raise the flop. he´s not gonna bet/fold like ever on this board. as played bet way less on the turn. its one of the few cards thats good for you after raising the flop, now just make it look like you´re trying to valuetown him.
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07-31-2010 , 05:52 PM
Villian is aggro and probably bad, other than that no reads. Pretty sure i have to go with my hand after i cbet, but i wonder if not cbetting is a better option here. If so, what´s the plan?

Hero (BB): $110.20
BTN/SB: $95.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A 9 T J
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 9 4 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $13.00, BTN/SB raises to $45, Hero raises to $101.20, BTN/SB calls $41.15 all in

Turn: ($190.30) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($190.30) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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07-31-2010 , 06:17 PM
^think you played it fine given reads, c/r flop is option too esp. if you think villain will take stabs when checked too a tonne. c/c flop and playing OOP on future streets sucks really bad imo

idk if i like 3betting this either against this villain mehh
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08-01-2010 , 12:59 PM
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PL Omaha $0.75(BB) Replayer
SB ($49.50)
BB ($52.55)
UTG ($73.60)
CO ($82.05)
Hero ($143)

Dealt to Hero J Q J 9

UTG checks, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25, fold, UTG calls $2

FLOP ($8) T 7 4

SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB folds, UTG calls $5.50

TURN ($19) T 7 4 3

UTG bets $12.50, Hero raises to $55.85

Shoving this turn fine?

Last edited by Olangotang; 08-01-2010 at 01:05 PM. Reason: Took out result
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08-01-2010 , 09:33 PM
CO is down a few buyins to me and is playing 43/37 over 150 hands

A glance at bb quick I remember he was 24vpip and playing solid. So his range is good kings, aces and maybe a few high rundowns. Fold ?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $201.90
CO: $100.00
BTN: $81.55
SB: $106.50
BB: $173.75
UTG: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K Q T J
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB raises to $40
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08-01-2010 , 10:14 PM
mehh im calling with that hand cos it's pretty and I like variance, folding is fine too since we've only put in tree fiddy, put I'd call since our hand connects so well with flop and are doing fine 3way if CO is playing loose and will call/ship with hands he shouldnt. And if he folds we have a nice overlay making the call fine vs. BB with what we have behind
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08-02-2010 , 09:16 PM
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PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($36.10)
BB ($55.15)
Hero ($191)
CO ($162)
BTN ($21.80)

Dealt to Hero 2 T T K

Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, fold, fold

FLOP ($6) Q Q T

Hero bets $3.50, CO raises to $15, BTN folds, Hero raises to $50, CO raises to $155, Hero raises to $190 (AI), CO calls $4.95 (AI)

TURN ($327) Q Q T 4

RIVER ($327) Q Q T 4 2

CO shows 5 Q 9 A
(Pre 45%, Flop 42.2%, Turn 25.0%)

Hero shows 2 T T K
(Pre 55%, Flop 57.8%, Turn 75.0%)

Hero wins $325

Standard vs. typical tag fish? guy is 24/12/4.8. History between us is he stacked off 110bbs with 9hi flush in single raised pot. I was bluffing with 2 pair+NF blocker, so I don't think he's very good
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08-02-2010 , 09:29 PM
looks std nh
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