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07-12-2010 , 12:59 PM
ship both, feel good
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07-12-2010 , 01:06 PM
sry but I'm not that good with pot-odds etc.

against Aces in Hand 1:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: T52
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KhTsQsJd35.55% 212,6621,230
AA**64.45% 386,1081,230

so what pot odds do we need to be +ev to get it in here ??
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07-12-2010 , 02:50 PM
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PL Omaha $0.10(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($4.61)
Hero ($22.22)
UTG ($9.70)
UTG+1 ($10.37)
CO ($12.50)
BTN ($11.15)

Dealt to Hero 4 A 6 A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.45, fold, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.90, fold, CO calls $1.45, SB calls $1.45

FLOP ($5.80) Q 8 4

SB bets $2.71 (AI), Hero calls $2.71, CO raises to $10.60 (AI), Hero folds

TURN ($13.93) Q 8 4 6

RIVER ($13.93) Q 8 4 6 Q

CO shows J K 9 T
(Pre 64%, Flop 29.6%, Turn 18.8%)

SB shows T 9 Q 8
(Pre 36%, Flop 70.4%, Turn 81.3%)

SB wins $13.25

co is kindof taggish... do we have to callo off his shove? our hand is so poor multi way...
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07-12-2010 , 03:03 PM
dont call sb, just shove yourself. Calling invites CO to shove because you look so weak and with the odds he´s getting he can pretty much shove if he has any piece of the flop. This flop also has a very low risk that co wakes up with a monster after you shove.
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07-12-2010 , 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivev
dont call sb, just shove yourself. Calling invites CO to shove because you look so weak and with the odds he´s getting he can pretty much shove if he has any piece of the flop. This flop is also very safe in regards to co waking up with a monster after you shove.
sb is all in so its not like the fact that we look weak means he is gonna shove more, he's still folding all his crap and shoving hands that do well multi way.... like us shoving doesnt change the range he wouldve called/shoved with.. and our hand does awful vs his calling range esp. in multi way pot..
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07-12-2010 , 03:14 PM
Another ugly spot I think I missplayed

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SB ($11.29)
BB ($10.65)
UTG ($20.12)
UTG+1 ($10.95)
Hero ($13.01)
BTN ($19.26)

Dealt to Hero 5 8 7 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.85) 6 9 A

Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

TURN ($2.05) 6 9 A Q

Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20

RIVER ($4.45) 6 9 A Q 5

Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $9.90, Hero folds

BTN wins $9.94

was hoping he's hero call me as my line looks FOS, looking back think I should have c/c river, thoughts?

Villain is tag reg, prolly sees me as solid/aggro
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07-12-2010 , 03:21 PM
Overall I play this entire hand more aggressively.you didn't crush the flop, but you caught a nice piece, I'd come out firing on the flop and turn.
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07-12-2010 , 03:31 PM
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PL Omaha $0.10(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($10)
BB ($16.39)
UTG ($3.60)
UTG+1 ($7.99)
Hero ($20.56)
BTN ($10.14)

Dealt to Hero 8 A 5 5

UTG calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, SB calls $0.40, fold, UTG calls $0.35

FLOP ($1.45) 9 4 T

SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB folds, UTG calls $1.30

TURN ($4.05) 9 4 T 4

UTG checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($4.05) 9 4 T 4 T

UTG bets $1.85 (AI), Hero calls $1.85

UTG shows Q 8 5 J
(Pre 47%, Flop 41.1%, Turn 42.5%)

Hero shows 8 A 5 5
(Pre 53%, Flop 58.9%, Turn 57.5%)

Hero wins $7.38

standard hero call or losing play in long run? just feel any pair he's getting in on flop... he's repping a 10 pretty much, guess its super standard meh

Last edited by Olangotang; 07-12-2010 at 03:38 PM.
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07-12-2010 , 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olangotang
sb is all in so its not like the fact that we look weak means he is gonna shove more, he's still folding all his crap and shoving hands that do well multi way.... like us shoving doesnt change the range he wouldve called/shoved with.. and our hand does awful vs his calling range esp. in multi way pot..
Sorry but no. Just look at what he shoved? You think he calls 100bb with 9 outs + backdoors at best? Seriously, it changes everything if he´s aggro, because when you call he figures he has fold equity. And sb being all in is great for co after you call.
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07-12-2010 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivev
Sorry but no. Just look at what he shoved? You think he calls 100bb with 9 outs + backdoors at best? Seriously, it changes everything if he´s aggro, because when you call he figures he has fold equity. And sb being all in is great for co after you call.
fair point mate, guess I played it really bad :/
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07-12-2010 , 07:29 PM
Hello, sorry, if this really low, but I can't win at higher stakes. (And neither at 10PLO.^^)


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $17.86
BTN: $10.14
SB: $10.00
BB: $10.00
UTG: $13.99
Hero (MP): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A 8 7 A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) 7 8 2 (2 players)
SB bets $0.76, Hero calls $0.76

Turn: ($2.32) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.95, SB calls $1.95

River: ($6.22) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn bet ok?

Villain is 40/20/20% Agg%/25% Donkbet Flop
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07-12-2010 , 07:31 PM
Oh, and raise flop?
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07-12-2010 , 07:48 PM
Villian seems taggy/nitty at 20/10 over 50~ hands at table, Whats optimal line on turn?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $11.18
UTG: $9.04
MP: $8.90
CO: $22.13
BTN: $6.04
SB: $25.72

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 6 A J A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, CO calls $0.95, BTN calls $0.95

Flop: ($3.80) 5 5 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.60, CO calls $2.60, BTN folds

Turn: ($9.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero ? (7.33)
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07-12-2010 , 08:28 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $259.50
BB: $136.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with A 3 8 2
Hero calls $1, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 8 8 (2 players)
BB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

Turn: ($35.00) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, [color=red]Hero?

This is a standard check back vs most aggro opponents, correct?
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07-13-2010 , 03:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by redCashion
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $259.50
BB: $136.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with A 3 8 2
Hero calls $1, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 8 8 (2 players)
BB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

Turn: ($35.00) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, [color=red]Hero?

This is a standard check back vs most aggro opponents, correct?
no

i mean its hu so its really flow / read depending. but i'd say he would continue betting with a hand that has u beat so i would just value bet your trips tk
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07-13-2010 , 03:25 AM
Standard sigh and call right?

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PL Omaha $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.72)
BB ($10.82)
UTG ($2.36)
UTG+1 ($4.71)
Hero ($2)
BTN ($0.30)

Dealt to Hero 8 Q 9 T

UTG raises to $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

FLOP ($0.69) J 8 T

UTG bets $0.12, UTG+1 calls $0.12, Hero raises to $1.14, UTG calls $1.02, UTG+1 calls $1.02

TURN ($4.11) J 8 T 6

UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $3.02, Hero?
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07-13-2010 , 04:25 AM
Easy fold actually.
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07-13-2010 , 08:48 AM
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PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($24)
BB ($89.44)
UTG ($49.76)
UTG+1 ($139)
Hero ($50.75)
BTN ($134)

Dealt to Hero 9 8 9 T

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, fold, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($7.25) 6 7 Q

BB checks, UTG bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25, BTN raises to $36.25, BB folds, UTG raises to $48.01 (AI), Hero folds, BTN calls $11.76

I figured i dont beat much, a fold is ok ?



Another hand i was playing the same session, villain is playing here 25/13 3b 7.1

I think leading is ok, villain *might* fold but i dont expect him to, i think it is probably better to c/c and maybe lead all turns or just a simple c/r?

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Hero ($50)
BB ($53.59)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($65.56)
CO ($51.47)
BTN ($165)

Dealt to Hero T 9 Q J

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $6.50, fold, Hero calls $4.50

FLOP ($13.50) 3 2 T

Hero bets $13.50, BB raises to $47.09 (AI), Hero calls $30 (AI)




last hand is just checking if it is std to go broke in this spot.
Villain plays 35/10 AF 3.8

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SB ($50)
BB ($57.15)
Hero ($96.21)
UTG+1 ($50)
CO ($66.54)
BTN ($113)

Dealt to Hero T 8 J Q

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($3.75) 8 Q 7

BB bets $2.50, Hero raises to $11.25, BB raises to $37.50, Hero raises to $94.46 (AI), BB calls $17.90 (AI)
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07-13-2010 , 05:18 PM
fold
i don't like getting it in here
4 stacks
imo
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07-13-2010 , 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cocktails
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BB ($89.44)
UTG ($49.76)
UTG+1 ($139)
Hero ($50.75)
BTN ($134)

Dealt to Hero 9 8 9 T

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, fold, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($7.25) 6 7 Q

BB checks, UTG bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25, BTN raises to $36.25, BB folds, UTG raises to $48.01 (AI), Hero folds, BTN calls $11.76

I figured i dont beat much, a fold is ok ?
With the two flush you have to fold to the raise, and doubly so because of the shove. Your 12-out draw is almost certainly an 8-out draw. No good.

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Another hand i was playing the same session, villain is playing here 25/13 3b 7.1

I think leading is ok, villain *might* fold but i dont expect him to, i think it is probably better to c/c and maybe lead all turns or just a simple c/r?

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Hero ($50)
BB ($53.59)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($65.56)
CO ($51.47)
BTN ($165)

Dealt to Hero T 9 Q J

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $6.50, fold, Hero calls $4.50

FLOP ($13.50) 3 2 T

Hero bets $13.50, BB raises to $47.09 (AI), Hero calls $30 (AI)
I think if you're planning to donk/call, I might rather check-raise AI. Good things for your image, more fold equity.

If you weren't planning to donk/call then donking full pot is not good. You can accomplish the same for less $$.

Take real note of what he's shoving with. Some will shove naked AAxx or KKxx here. Those are people you can abuse in future situations.

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last hand is just checking if it is std to go broke in this spot.
Villain plays 35/10 AF 3.8

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PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50)
BB ($57.15)
Hero ($96.21)
UTG+1 ($50)
CO ($66.54)
BTN ($113)

Dealt to Hero T 8 J Q

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($3.75) 8 Q 7

BB bets $2.50, Hero raises to $11.25, BB raises to $37.50, Hero raises to $94.46 (AI), BB calls $17.90 (AI)
nh. Normally I wouldn't advise 13x P with two pair but you have a lot of extra equity with the GS + 2 BDFDs. And once you raise, you're committing yourself with this hand. At 200 BBs I think this plays differently.
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07-13-2010 , 07:35 PM
Just sat down no reads

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.02 Ante - 5 players
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BTN: $26.81
SB: $8.21
BB: $16.43
Hero (UTG): $24.75
CO: $14.52

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is UTG with 3 J J 3
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.00) J 4 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.40) A (3 players)
SB bets $3.24, BB calls $3.24, Hero...
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07-13-2010 , 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChimpyChoo
Just sat down no reads

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.02 Ante - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $26.81
SB: $8.21
BB: $16.43
Hero (UTG): $24.75
CO: $14.52

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is UTG with 3 J J 3
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.00) J 4 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.40) A (3 players)
SB bets $3.24, BB calls $3.24, Hero...
Heads up I would make the call if I had a feeling I could bluff the river. Here I think I would have to fold. Not getting the right price for a FH draw.
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07-13-2010 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChimpyChoo
Just sat down no reads

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.02 Ante - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $26.81
SB: $8.21
BB: $16.43
Hero (UTG): $24.75
CO: $14.52

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is UTG with 3 J J 3
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.00) J 4 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.40) A (3 players)
SB bets $3.24, BB calls $3.24, Hero...
I shove here, kindof hard to put either of them on 23 with our blockers[and people generally shouldnt be playing low hands with 23 in it because they make the nuts like never]+we have BBs range dominated and SB has less than 4$ behind + if we call we're gonna be making a tonne of mistakes on river and hard for us to pick up any value from our hand. I think they're both drawing a tonne.

Last edited by Olangotang; 07-13-2010 at 08:12 PM.
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07-13-2010 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WWJfergusonD
Heads up I would make the call if I had a feeling I could bluff the river. Here I think I would have to fold. Not getting the right price for a FH draw.
Read what you just said.... what are repping when we bluff river? flushes? sets? assuming you think our fh draw is good and villain doesn't have aa you're putting villain on 23 which is so unlikely with way the hand played+ our blockers, I think SBs lead is so indicitive of a strong drawing hand, maybe gutter+2fds or fd+wrap or open ender etc. etc. all of which we're happy shipping over as opposed to calling and seeing a river because riverplay is going to be very difficult for our hand and will make us fold the best hand a lot when draw gets there and not get any value from our hand
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07-13-2010 , 08:22 PM
Did think about making a thread of the hand but thought it might be too standard.

My thinking was, with the 33 blockers straight was unlikely for sb and bb is never flatting set of A's or straight so must be on draw.

I shove sb most likely calls, even if he has straight are my pot odds aren't so bad with all that dead monies are they? and if bb calls he has draw most likely, and he might even get it in with a **** draw cos pot is so big.

Plus theres times sb is complete donk with 2p and bb gets it in with 1 naked fd (which didnt happen)
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