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IPoker Network $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $62.75
Hero (BTN): $108.60
SB: $100.00
BB: $117.70
UTG: $63.75
MP: $101.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with J

1 fold, MP raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, Hero raises to $15.50, 2 folds, MP raises to $51.50, 2 folds

Do I have the odds to call?

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01-17-2010 , 11:56 PM

#1452

Poolside

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NO. Fold cus u have an ace and thus are playing with 3 cards.

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01-18-2010 , 03:59 AM

#1453

Spurious

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IPoker Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $33.76
BTN: $36.43
SB: $5.50
Hero (BB): $56.97
UTG: $17.70
MP: $28.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K

1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25) 9

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $7.25, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $29, MP calls $19.65 all in

Standard vs a fish, right?

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01-18-2010 , 04:01 AM

#1454

Spurious

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IPoker Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $9.50
CO: $84.34
BTN: $76.44
SB: $58.89
BB: $40.69
Hero (UTG): $96.04

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T

Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $7.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($21.75) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $21.75, Hero raises to $43.50, BB calls $9.94 all in

Villain plays like 55/15 with a 15-20 3bet% after a small samplesize. So I assume he's an aggro fish. Standard, right?

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01-18-2010 , 11:22 AM

#1455

JALLAJALLA

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SuperNormal? Villain 30/22/3.7. I raise only to 5€ make easier call if get reraised.

€0.25/€0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG (€106.25)
UTG+1 (€215.07)
CO (€59.06)
Hero (€64.28)
SB (€46.25)
BB (€16)

Pre-Flop: (€0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN K

UTG calls €0.50, UTG+1 raises to €2.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to €5, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to €16.25, Hero calls €11.25

Flop: 5

(€33.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets €33.75, Hero goes all-in €48.03, UTG+1 calls €14.28

Turn: 6

(€129.81, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 6

(€129.81, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: €129.81
UTG+1 shows
A

Hero shows
K

UTG+1 wins €126.81 (net +€62.53)

UTG lost €0.50
Hero lost €64.28

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01-18-2010 , 08:40 PM

#1456

Jever

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Villain unknown. Major spew? If yes, how much stronger should the draw be to make this profitable. Is this only okay, if I have the nutflush-draw with a gut-shot?

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Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $12.88
BTN: $16.90
SB: $13.22
BB: $2.81
UTG: $4.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with T

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.85) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO raises to $2.65, Hero raises to $8.80, CO raises to $12.53 all in, Hero calls $0.85 all in

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01-18-2010 , 08:52 PM

#1457

Asbrock

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I bleed money in these spots so you may not want to take my advice to heart. I would fold on the flop. If I had top pair and a flush draw I probably shove, if I had nut flush draw I shove, or if I had a king in your hand in place of any of one of the jacks I shove.

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01-18-2010 , 10:44 PM

#1458

Ivan Miwa

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IPoker Network $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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BB: $82.65
CO: $225.25
Hero (BTN): $206.40
SB: $102.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with T

1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, SB raises to $11.50, BB calls $10.50, Hero raises to $46, SB raises to $102, BB calls $71.15 all in, Hero calls $56

Ok to 4bet this hand against a lagtard 49/34 with 15% 3bet (~300 hands)?

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01-18-2010 , 10:49 PM

#1459

gradx

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Villian was a tight but started to open raise frequently over the last few orbits so I decided it was time to start tearing down his stack. What's your play at the turn?

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BB: $46.54
UTG: $252.35
MP: $28.04
CO: $12.68
Hero (BTN): $287.75
SB: $79.68

Pre Flop: ($0.65) Hero is BTN with A

UTG raises to $1.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.95

Flop: ($8.85) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG raises to $16.42, Hero calls $10.42

Turn: ($41.69) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks

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01-19-2010 , 01:07 AM

#1460

citanul

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i saw a reference to this somewhere else but also don't know if this is the right place to ask simple stat questions, if not please let me know.

i was wondering what "good" fold to 3 bet and fold to 4bet numbers look like. i have a feeling i call both too frequently, or reraise both too frequently, but in general don't fold enough. obviously these numbers should vary with opponent and with my own ranges, but still, i guess there could be some generalization:

i've been folding to 3bets about 20% of the time, and 4 bets about 4% of the time. is that all around just ridiculously bad?

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01-19-2010 , 01:18 AM

#1461

gradx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by citanul

My thought is that when you are going to be going to the flop a high percentage of the time you need be getting it all in on the flop more as well. If you're not comfortable getting it with stuff as simple as a pair at certain types of flops then you're just going to be folding away too much too often against someone has high cbet flop/turn %s.

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01-19-2010 , 01:19 AM

#1462

Double Eagle

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I'm at 20% fold to 3 bet and 15% fold to 4 bet over my last 100k hands or so.

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01-19-2010 , 03:39 AM

#1463

checkm8

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This one made me unsure a bit, input greatly appreciated. Preflop is standard I think (??) and my plan was to get it in at the flop but accidentally hit call. Sorry if this is insanely standard, I'm very new to PLO.

$1/$2 PL Omaha Cash Game, 5 Players
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SB: $258.95
Hero (BB): $195.80
UTG: $212.75
CO: $60
BTN: $52.05

Pre-Flop: T

dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $6, CO folds, BTN raises to $10, SB folds, Hero calls $8, UTG raises to $41, BTN calls $31, Hero calls $31

Flop: ($124) T

(3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $124, BTN calls $11.05 and is All-In, Hero calls $124

Turn: ($383.05) 2

(3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Hero checks, UTG bets $47.75 and is All-In, Hero calls $30.80 and is All-In

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01-19-2010 , 03:58 AM

#1464

Hoopster81

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pre is a clear fold the first time around

as played shove the flop

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01-19-2010 , 04:00 AM

#1465

GutPunch

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Does EV in PLO ever even out? It always seems like im running way below expectation or slightly above.

Does the EV in HEM even calculate properly? I thought I read somewhere that its a useless stat, any merit to that?

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01-19-2010 , 04:11 AM

#1466

Dirdal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GutPunch

Think of it this way. The probability of running =EV is veeeeery small. The probability of running over/under EV is very big. But the number that's most probable to come up when you calculate your EV is 0.

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01-19-2010 , 09:31 PM

#1467

Jever

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Both villain are fish. In hold'em I find these flops easy to play and a cbet marginally +EV, even against two players.
But I wonder if it's good in Omaha because there are 4 more holecards in opponents hands.
Of course, in both games people love to play aces, though.

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SB: $13.65
BB: $9.70
UTG: $13.38
Hero (CO): $21.63
BTN: $10.89

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1

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01-19-2010 , 09:42 PM

#1468

pollitapenguin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jever

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1

I probably bet hu in position and call a raise for my backdoor draw or to bluff later.

Into multiway pots you should probably always check here.

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01-20-2010 , 07:45 PM

#1469

2+2=5

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Poker Stars $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $598.00
BB: $315.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 9

Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $24.00 Hero raise or call?

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01-20-2010 , 08:49 PM

#1470

2+2=5

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Betfair Poker, $1/2 Omaha Cash Games, 2 Players
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Board:
husseinAA (BB): $364
HERO (Button): $233.40

Dealt to HERO 8

Pre-flop:
HERO raises to $6, husseinAA raises to $18, HERO calls $12

Flop: ($39) 4

(2 Players)
husseinAA bets $27, HERO raises to $117

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01-21-2010 , 10:24 AM

#1471

ShipMoar

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Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $297.00
SB: $228.60
BB: $446.90
UTG: $205.50
MP: $168.05
CO: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with K

1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds, MP calls $6

Flop: ($27.00) 8

(3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $25.65, Hero calls $25.65, MP raises to $128.25, CO calls $102.60, Hero???

Is this a stackoff? MP is 80/30 over 70hands or so, AF of 1.5, CO is a pretty straightforward reg, 25/15 over 800 hands, AF of 2.1, cbet 55%.

COs flat leads me to believe he has the same hand as me or a QT9 combo, but was a little lost when mp raised.

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01-21-2010 , 10:32 AM

#1472

ShipMoar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GutPunch

HEM calculates AI EV correctly, but that's all it is, it is by no means a definite answer if one has run good or bad, or if the player is a winning player or not.

Also, when u stack off, your ev isn't the % u have against the hand he actually had, it's the ev u have against his range. There's also 100s of other factors we can't calculate.

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5

Poker Stars $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $598.00
BB: $315.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 9

Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $24.00 Hero raise or call?

I'd definitely raise, raising here makes the hand rly easy to play, u do well against his range and have FE. The other hand u posted is v standard.

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01-21-2010 , 04:28 PM

#1473

dutchhen

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Is this call too marginal? I am entirely sure he has some sort of Aces here and we're deep. Flop was an obvious shove to me:

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BB: $135.60
Hero (BTN/SB): $262.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 5

Hero raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $13.50, BB raises to $40.50, Hero calls $27

Flop: ($81.00) K

(2 players)
BB bets $81, Hero raises to $162, BB calls $14.10 all in

Turn: ($271.20) 2

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($271.20) 9

(2 players - 1 is all in)

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01-21-2010 , 04:48 PM

#1474

Tamtaram

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Full Tilt Poker $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9 players
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Rush tables, no reads.

Hero (MP1): $55.06
MP2: $25.56
CO: $37.92
BTN: $17.63
SB: $25.97
BB: $12.50
UTG: $50.49
UTG+1: $13.73
UTG+2: $11.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP1 with A

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.35, MP2 raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2.75, UTG calls $2.75, UTG+1 calls $2.75, Hero ?