@DevWil: Ok, I might be result oriented here. I need to call down some more double paired boards and let's see if people are capable of bluffing/value betting worse.

Can you recommend some good resources for basics of math? I am really confused tbh. Or maybe I should just stop being lazy and do the math myself (although I hate math lol).

What do you mean by dead cards btw?

Also, I have to figure out whether they use this smaller sizing with stronger/weaker hands. As it might save me money in the long term. Because pot bets seem to be pretty nutted (unless I have reads on my opponent, or very good blockers I don't go crazy). But these bets, I really don't know what to think about them yet.

@koking51: I am just a fish, but isn't it a c/f otf, because hero has no backdoor equity, except GS? It's just my intuition. Let's see what others has to say. Btw, why don't you play with full stack?

If I wouldn't fold otf, I am definitely folding ott. And as played, fold otr. But again, just my guestimation. Let's wait for others.

What would be the weakest flush, that you call here?

Actually, should we call down some str8+ with flush blockers? Or even 2P+?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 110.4 BB
Hero (BB): 222.94 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 4 9 9

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) J K 5
Hero checks, SB bets 1.84 BB, Hero calls 1.84 BB

Turn: (9.68 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, SB bets 7.2 BB, Hero calls 7.2 BB

River: (24.08 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, SB bets 20.88 BB, Hero ???

My intuition is that we're folding turn. It's just very hard to realize our equity/win for the this and (often) another bet.

I understand an argument for folding flop but TPTK is still TPTK, y'know. I have to believe we defend versus one street of betting.

Just be careful that you're not extrapolating too much from this one hand where we have trips top kicker on a board where villain has natural bluffs (and reps Axxx very well from preflop ranges), you know?

Not sure what math you mean exactly.

I said "dead cards" even though it's not strictly the typical term. I honestly don't know if folks refer to "board blockers" ever? Point is: like, between our hand and the board, there aren't very many combinations of full houses left for villain to be able to have (compared to all of the bluffs we unblock that also make sense for their line). (If this is the math you're asking about, I don't sweat the strict combinatoric math of PLO. In NLH it's workable; in PLO I don't tempt the complexity of it.)

We have the 4th nuts here, right? While villain triple-barreling is concerning (I have to imagine they're supposed to stop bluffing at the river sometimes), that seems pretty high in our range to fold HU.

Honestly, for HU questions when we don't have much information on villain, I don't trust my intuition as much as I'd trust a solver.

And while I do play HU to table-start somewhat commonly, I really don't specialize in HUPLO and I don't think many regulars on this forum do. I'm glad you're here asking questions, but I think you'll get better answers from computers in a lot of these spots you're posting (especially as they're often versus an unknown).

(Oh my god, what have I become, advocating for solvers over people in the SSPLO forum.)

I am planning to use a solver soon. I have been playing with PLO trainer lately and it's quite good, but it doesn't support turns and rivers. So I can basically solve just two streets and another two are missing.

Anyway, here's another one:

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 236.84 BB
BB: 117.2 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q 7 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4 K 7
BB bets 17.1 BB, [color=red]Hero ???

Again, I am facing a pot bet on a board, that should favor the 3bettor. Do I just call and reevaluate ott? Is shoving too optimistic? I don't expect much fold equity otf...

I wouldn't be surprised if Monker calls it a call, a raise, or both.

I would call and not raise the flop.

Facing a Flop X/R on a dry board
Fold or go with it? We holding overpair with a top pair

BB: $168.03 (336.1 bb)
UTG: $85.60 (171.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $32.89 (65.8 bb)
BTN: $49.25 (99 bb)
SB: $47.07 (94.1 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q T Q A
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 2 4 T
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.74, UTG raises to $16.21, Hero ???

Thank you.

It makes a lot more sense than my line.

And when hero hits the flush or 2P, and villain pots it, you just go with it, right?

Here's another one.

It was villain's first 3bet:

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 170.1 BB
BB: 238.62 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8 2 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9 2 4
BB bets 17.1 BB, Hero calls 17.1 BB

Turn: (52.2 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 50.7 BB, Hero calls 50.7 BB

River: (153.6 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 152.1 BB, Hero ???

First, you should make sure that your stack size makes sense for what you want to get out of playing PLO. Buying in helps you make the most money in reraised pots in particular. (This isn't one.) I'm not going to just parrot the typical 2p2 line of "100bb or gtfo", but how about "100bb or have a good reason why not".

Anyway, if I'm faced with this situation I think I just scratch my head and fold to the raise. We're not even beating KK.

Well, OTF we're definitely not folding but I don't know whether or not we can get away with a raise. In theory, I think we have a lot of fold equity but I'm not sure. We also have backdoor diamonds, which helps. (I'm only at 1 I/N in a Monker sim but it looks like we can jam this combo some amount of the time.)

OTT it feels like a no-doubter raise to me, but I could be surprised (and maybe villain can't call with worse often enough with us blocking the flush draw). We just rate to be so far ahead so often that we really want to build a pot. (Early Monker says pure jam.)

Edit: a few more I/N into the sim, it's looking like we can get away with a raise a minority of the time but the EV is close. As played, Monker still has us jamming turn 100%.

Yes Currently still learning online play so I've been short stacking primarily to make decisions easier/reduce the amount of decisions I have to make. when mistakes are made variance isn't as bad as well. SInce I'm currently playing small stakes primarily to learn/practice for liveplay.
Obviously as my skill level and edge get higher I would be more comfortable and beneficial buying in for Max.
Thank you for the feedback

Can you expand on your first part
"you should make sure that your stack size makes sense for what you want to get out of playing PLO."?

Follow up with buying in specifically even when starting out/beginner level would it be beneficial/recommended to buy in for the max/100BB+?

Very interesting. I was scared shitless ott, as these pot bets are very polar. But I'd say 90 % they are super strong value. I rarely see people bluffing when they pot two+ streets.

Another dumb question, but what does "I/N" stand for? I feel like 60 yo now because Google didn't help me with this one.

Anyway, my equity should be better ott and I might be ahead versus some portion of his range. Thing is, that people will probably 4b tighter than GTO.

But yeah, jamming turn seems superior. Even another guy gave me this advice.

So take away from this hand is, that I play too passive ott and then I lose a lot of money in nonSD spots.

Also, you mentioned raise, do you mean the raise otf some of the time? Also interesting line. Our equity will definitely be the best otf. I just didn't feel comfortable. But yeah, I guess that's part of playing poker - getting into martinal spots. I should be doing good even vs AA otf.

Another player told me, that he would call it down, as he expects some OPs to play this way, as it should be quite safe run out for such hands. Which is also very interesting and I didn't take it into consideration.

My thinking process was that his value range is going to be very narrow and if he has it gg wp.

Well, you basically answered what I was implicitly asking. You said yourself that you're buying in short to simplify the game. I think that's fine, as long as you're being intentional about it.

I/N is iterations per node in Monker. It's just a reflection of how refined the simulation has become, basically.

As it went on, your combo raised the flop less and less. The option to raise never totally went away (and the turn raise never dropped below 100%), but calling flop is probably best.

Ok, thank you. When I grow up, I will buy myself a Monker, too.

Anyway, here's another one vs aggro player. He was bluff raising some of my cbets in 3b pots.

I block the str8 and nFD, but not sure if it's enough. Or do I just cbet the flop here?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 188.74 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q A J

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 8 9 Q
Hero checks, SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (38 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, SB bets 23 BB, Hero raises to 105.5 BB

My guess is that we're checking flop with this combo (and relatively often in general). Call is good, imo.

OTT: I don't completely hate the raise but my guess is that we're better off keeping them wide, especially if we think they're betting too much. I think this ends up making us the most money across the turn and river overall, but I'm still guessing.

also guessing here but I would bet/fold flop, and switch to bet/call if he's bluff raising too much. I like the turn c/r here vs aggro opp, think it should have some fold equity and decent equity when called.

PokerMaster, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Pokeit

UTG: $9.47 (38 bb)
CO: $45.25 (181 bb)
BU: $100.53 (402 bb)
SB: $26.97 (108 bb)
BB (Hero): $20.23 (81 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J A Q T
1 fold, CO raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 3 K J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.88, Hero calls $1.88, CO folds

Turn: ($6.41) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.54, BB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $6.41 (Rake: $0.35)
BU wins $6.06

Opp is good reg. Is this fold nitty? Can I c/c turn here without Kx?

no you have to fold the board pairing turn.

^ If you never call without trips or better when the board pairs you will be exploited very easily. Call.

I'm guessing, but the third diamond in our hand probably keeps this from being an overly tight fold OTT, and I wouldn't be shocked if we're dumping some similar combos anyway.

Villain's double barrels should be pretty strong here overall, no? I'd think they need to respect how often we x/c flop with Kxxx.

Like, if BTN is a competent reg, how much air are they really going to have here? It's not like this is a BTN RFI vs BB spot; their BTN flats are liable to be narrower than if they'd RFI'd.

I could be wrong, but I just don't think it's an overly tight fold. And even if it's close, maybe it becomes less close with PLO25 rake.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 256.02 BB
Hero (BB): 570.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 3 A 4

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 3 T 5
Hero checks, SB bets 3.8 BB, Hero raises to 13.78 BB, SB raises to 47.04 BB, Hero calls 33.26 BB

Turn: (100.08 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, SB bets 98.58 BB, Hero calls/folds/shoves?

I'm skeptical of the flop XR but I could be surprised. (Three of a suit strikes again.)

You're probably supposed to lead turn, fwiw. I wonder if flop is actually a reship as well.

I think flop x/r is probably standard. I can't say I'm sure, but I would lean more towards it.

Wonder how relevant are deep stacks here to these questions of whether we 4bet flop or lead turn.

Flatting makes sense, as I have three same suits in my hand.

I am curious, why is leading ott preferred? Is it because, I might've improved to some straights and also because I have a lower str8 draw?

People are unbelievably honest with their raises, so I was thinking, that I am against the set here most of the time (could be wrong).

And yeah, as DrTJO mentioned, it's 256 BBs effective. I don't feel very comfortable ripping it in with such huge SPR. But man gotta do what man gotta do, right? So if I am supposed to rip it in otf, then I'll defo go for it next time.

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Anyway, here's another puzzle:

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 329.94 BB
BB: 97 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 9 3 J

Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9 K 6
BB checks, Hero bets 5.7 BB, BB raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 14.3 BB

Turn: (58 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 30 BB, Hero ???

If we weren't so deep I think it's just a standard get it in, but this deep probably can't get it in. Only reason I am considering it at all is because turns don't really play well for us either, but it's probably best to just fold a bad pairing turns and continue on all the decent ones.