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02-18-2015 , 06:58 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

Two weak players in the pot so I set mine and call it pre. Do I just give up on the turn? I was ready to fold but then I thought that he might be doing this with some kind of a draw. So I should have just shipped the turn or folded right? Calling definitely looks like the worst option there.

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 253 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 40)
BB: 143 BB
UTG: 91 BB (VPIP: 42.48, PFR: 23.01, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 113)
MP: 207 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q 2 8

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) 6 Q 9
UTG bets 7.5 BB, MP calls 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 37.5 BB, fold, MP calls 30 BB

Turn: (90 BB, 2 players) T
MP bets 40 BB, Hero calls 40 BB

River: (170 BB, 2 players) 7
MP bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB,
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02-18-2015 , 08:48 AM
Just shove turn with that little behind. You're bound to be ahead some amount of the time, and have ~25% when not.
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02-19-2015 , 10:56 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 102.5 BB
SB: 182 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 194 BB (VPIP: 8.75, PFR: 3.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 164)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 48.72, PFR: 28.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
MP: 132 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 190.5 BB (VPIP: 16.49, PFR: 12.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 9 5 4

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 9 2 4
CO bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) J
CO bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (41.5 BB, 2 players) Q
CO bets 31 BB, fold

CO wins 40 BB

Villian is a 16/12 preflop nit.
We Have good equity vs anything he has on the flop, and I probably don't want any more cards to come out, the problem is I'm never really ahead when we get in. Do you just raise flop and get it in? Or is how I played it ok?

I think he might have some Nfd+pair or AAxx with spades and the bigger rundowns, which get a wrap+pair on the turn.

Last edited by Salats; 02-19-2015 at 11:02 AM.
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02-19-2015 , 01:16 PM
Is this a good hand to flat the button? It has good playability but if the blinds come along we've got tough decisions on flops like this.

As played I would gii on flop.
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02-19-2015 , 02:31 PM
3bet pre, as played raise flop, as played call turn & fold river.
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02-20-2015 , 03:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratio946
Is this a good hand to flat the button? It has good playability but if the blinds come along we've got tough decisions on flops like this.

As played I would gii on flop.
It is not so tough to play bad hands on the BTN at 2plo. People play straight forward and give up on flops they don't hit. I can often just take it down with a stab when it gets checked to me. I think we can play a ton of buttons in these micros.

Is 3bet a better option? Maybe, I just don't like bloating the pot too much I rather play more small pots coz of the rake.

PLO2 rake is 3.30% and capped at $0.30. Does this mean it is only caped at 9.1$? That is like no cap at all.. I think I should play as many small pots as possible.

Last edited by Salats; 02-20-2015 at 03:12 AM.
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02-20-2015 , 10:17 AM
Yeah that makes sense, I was just curious.

I tend to be raising these spots but I definitely play too aggressive overall. I'll log some hands and post my stats, see if you guys can help me out.
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02-20-2015 , 01:32 PM
Misplayed my hand or just coolered?

61 hands on villain 36/24/0 seems recreational so far

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35123561

    CO: $10.73 (107.3 bb)
    BTN: $17.33 (173.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
    BB: $30.69 (306.9 bb)
    UTG: $11.87 (118.7 bb)
    MP: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K 5 K 4
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.70

    Flop: ($2.10) 4 T 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

    Turn: ($5.10) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: ($5.10) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $3.25, Hero raises to $7.55 and is all-in, CO calls $4.30

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.20 pot ($0.86 rake)
    Final Board: 4 T 5 5 J
    CO showed A J J 2 and won $19.34 ($9.29 net)
    Hero showed K 5 K 4 and lost (-$10.05 net)



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    02-20-2015 , 02:17 PM
    I don't see any merit to checking turn or raising river.

    We can get value from loads of hands still on the turn and if we're checking river it should be to let villain value town themselves or bluff.
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    02-21-2015 , 11:50 AM
    PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 259.5 BB (VPIP: 37.25, PFR: 25.49, 3Bet Preflop: 12.20, Hands: 103)
    SB: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 16)
    BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)
    UTG: 142.5 BB (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 16.57, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 183)
    MP: 195 BB (VPIP: 15.65, PFR: 6.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 116)
    Hero (CO): 296 BB

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 T K 9

    fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

    Flop: (11.5 BB, 3 players) 3 9 4
    SB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, BTN raises to 16 BB, fold, Hero calls 9.5 BB

    Turn: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 8
    Hero checks, BTN bets 21 BB, Hero raises to 105 BB, BTN calls 84 BB

    River: (253.5 BB, 2 players) 7
    Hero checks, BTN bets 135 BB and is all-in, fold

    What do you think about this play? On the flop he shouldn't have too many sets, no real 33 or 44, and very few 99 since i block a 9. I didn't want to bloat the pot on flop as I don't want to play this big pot deep oop with no real redraws. On the turn I want to get it in, but there is still a bunch of money behind..
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    02-21-2015 , 04:00 PM
    Villain is v aggro.

    thoughts on turn?

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35165551

      SB: $146.39 (292.8 bb)
      Hero (BB): $85.87 (171.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K Q J T
      SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $3

      Flop: ($9) 6 T 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

      Turn: ($21) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $13.50, SB raises to $61, Hero raises to $75.37 and is all-in, SB calls $14.37

      River: ($171.74) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $171.74 pot ($0.50 rake)
      Final Board: 6 T 4 A J
      SB showed 6 9 A 3 and lost (-$85.87 net)
      Hero showed K Q J T and won $171.24 ($85.37 net)



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      02-22-2015 , 07:22 AM
      Think you can flat the turn and fold unimproved rivers.
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      02-22-2015 , 07:26 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Jabonator
      Think you can flat the turn and fold unimproved rivers.
      Would you rather ship the turn if you had a pair too?

      I thought the turn ship was fine since I don't wanna make a decision on a paired club.
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      02-22-2015 , 07:27 AM
      PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 213 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      SB: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 10.04, PFR: 5.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.25, Hands: 285)
      BB: 135 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      UTG: 268 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      MP: 356 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
      Hero (CO): 234.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K 2 6

      UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

      Flop: (8 BB, 3 players) 9 T 8
      BB checks, UTG bets 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 5
      UTG bets 6.5 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

      River: (26 BB, 2 players) 3
      UTG bets 13 BB, fold

      Should I have raised the turn?
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      02-23-2015 , 02:03 AM
      Unless you think you have a lot of fold equity I think just flatting the turn is best. It seems like villain is a pretty weak player based on his bet-sizing. Given this is PLO2, I expect people to be more sticky than usual. So I will just call in position with implied odds. When the river bricks like that there's not much you can do, but you were getting an excellent price all the way with more than enough equity to call.
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      02-25-2015 , 12:43 PM
      PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      SB: 383.6 BB (VPIP: 26.15, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 132)
      BB: 109 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 47)
      Hero (UTG): 119.4 BB
      MP: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 19.70, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 202)
      CO: 373 BB (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.95, Hands: 241)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4 J Q T

      Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 11.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 8.2 BB

      Flop: (24.6 BB, 2 players) 6 3 5
      Hero checks, BTN bets 23.6 BB

      We are 33% vs AA what is our best move in this 3bet pot? Do we just fold? Do you think we can call this? I don't think there is much fold equity if we ship.
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      02-25-2015 , 12:52 PM
      And another similar spot here

      PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 88 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      SB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)
      BB: 102.6 BB
      UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      MP: 50 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
      Hero (CO): 102.4 BB

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K J A

      UTG raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.2 BB, fold, SB calls 9.8 BB, fold, UTG calls 6.8 BB

      Flop: (31.6 BB, 3 players) 4 3 2
      SB bets 25 BB, fold

      He cold calls the 3bet and pots the flop. Most of the time he has sets and straights. So again we have something like 38% equity but with the dead money we need around 43% equity to ship. Is this a small enough gap to just ship and hope for some FE or a combodraw for villian?
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      03-03-2015 , 07:04 AM
      Hi Salats, you're playing the same game as me

      H1 - Personally I wouldn't be PSB opening this UTG, not calling 3bet OOP with it either against an unknown. As played, like you say you have odds to call if he's got AA/KK, you've better odds if he's 3bet with a high rundown, but still a slight dog even on this flop. Doubt he's folding to a ship, but I've seen so much weird play at PLO5z you can never be sure!
      Hate calling, at the end of the day we have a naked J hi flush draw, not a strong hand on that flop. I'd fold, but like I said I would have folded pre

      H2 - Villain looks like a loose fish (small sample I know), I'm calling, seeing the turn and go from there. I've seen fish/lags donk flops like this with stuff like QQ67dd, JJ34dd.

      Good Luck at the tables, just not against me
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      03-03-2015 , 04:23 PM
      At what point should I have found the fold button? In hindsight, when BB makes the 4b I think I should have been folded. thoughts?

      Full Tilt Poker $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (CO): $13.54
      BTN: $5.10 - VPIP: 83, PFR: 66, 3B: 44, AF: 4.6, Hands: 356
      SB: $35.61 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 50, 3B: 46, AF: 6.5, Hands: 22
      BB: $8.27 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 39
      UTG: $19.62

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 8 T J 7
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.17, BTN raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.43, BB raises to $1.97, Hero calls $1.80, BTN raises to $5.10, SB calls $4.65, BB raises to $8.27, Hero raises to $13.54, SB calls $8.44

      Flop: ($40.45) 3 8 6 (4 players)

      Turn: ($40.45) 9 (4 players)

      River: ($40.45) A (4 players)
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      03-04-2015 , 06:13 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by buckyohare1985
      At what point should I have found the fold button? In hindsight, when BB makes the 4b I think I should have been folded. thoughts?

      Full Tilt Poker $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (CO): $13.54
      BTN: $5.10 - VPIP: 83, PFR: 66, 3B: 44, AF: 4.6, Hands: 356
      SB: $35.61 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 50, 3B: 46, AF: 6.5, Hands: 22
      BB: $8.27 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 39
      UTG: $19.62

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 8 T J 7
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.17, BTN raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.43, BB raises to $1.97, Hero calls $1.80, BTN raises to $5.10, SB calls $4.65, BB raises to $8.27, Hero raises to $13.54, SB calls $8.44

      Flop: ($40.45) 3 8 6 (4 players)

      Turn: ($40.45) 9 (4 players)

      River: ($40.45) A (4 players)
      Just fold when the cold 3bet comes
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      03-04-2015 , 08:56 AM
      PokerStars - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 95.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
      SB: 59.5 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      Hero (BB): 111.5 BB
      CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 2 A 2

      fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9.5 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB

      Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q Q 8

      Is this a cbet/fold flop spot?
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      03-04-2015 , 09:41 AM
      I think you can consider c/c, give BTN a chance to bet his entire range?

      Interested in opinions on that line.
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      03-11-2015 , 04:48 AM
      PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 79 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      BB: 206.6 BB (VPIP: 25.13, PFR: 16.58, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, Hands: 203)
      UTG: 122.4 BB (VPIP: 34.18, PFR: 20.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 79)
      MP: 87.84 BB (VPIP: 70.83, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
      CO: 140.2 BB (VPIP: 29.05, PFR: 16.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 297)
      Hero (BTN): 131.36 BB

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6 J 9 8

      fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 14.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 10.4 BB

      Flop: (31.2 BB, 2 players) 2 4 8
      CO checks, Hero bets 22 BB, CO calls 22 BB

      Turn: (75.2 BB, 2 players) 2
      CO checks, Hero checks

      River: (75.2 BB, 2 players) Q
      CO checks, Hero bets 40 BB

      Does my turn check say I don't have AA? I wanna fold out KK JJ and some Q hands
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      03-12-2015 , 02:08 PM
      I don´t think u can represent aces credibly on the river after the turn check. I would just give up as played.
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      03-12-2015 , 02:17 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by buckyohare1985
      At what point should I have found the fold button? In hindsight, when BB makes the 4b I think I should have been folded. thoughts?

      Full Tilt Poker $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (CO): $13.54
      BTN: $5.10 - VPIP: 83, PFR: 66, 3B: 44, AF: 4.6, Hands: 356
      SB: $35.61 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 50, 3B: 46, AF: 6.5, Hands: 22
      BB: $8.27 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 39
      UTG: $19.62

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 8 T J 7
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.17, BTN raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.43, BB raises to $1.97, Hero calls $1.80, BTN raises to $5.10, SB calls $4.65, BB raises to $8.27, Hero raises to $13.54, SB calls $8.44

      Flop: ($40.45) 3 8 6 (4 players)

      Turn: ($40.45) 9 (4 players)

      River: ($40.45) A (4 players)
      Given the cold 3bettor stats, I would say that it´s likely he´s going to 5bet and things go crazy. Given that, I advocate a fold PF when the action comes to you after the BB 4bet.
      I´d need to run the simulations but I believe your rundown is going to be dominated sometimes by higher rundowns like 89TJ, 9TJQ, TJQK and similars. Your equity won´t be enough to get stacks in.
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