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06-27-2014 , 02:04 AM
74: 2 combos
75: 1 combo
54: 2 combos
44: 1 combo

With a double paired board and at PLO2 I think it's quite safe to assume any boat is calling a shove. Your equity is 75% against a random boat or quads. So... shove.
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06-27-2014 , 05:20 AM
What if we had 150bb or 200bb effective behind? Still pot/gii? At what depth are we thinking flatting(especially if he pots instead of 2/3) this kind of board with the blockers we have to top full/lesser fh? I guess I'm results orientated
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06-27-2014 , 05:34 AM
I am not sure at these stakes tbh... I guess the min raise might be too scary to put your house at stake but for one buck I guess it's fine ^^. Were you alot deeper just calling is okay.
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06-29-2014 , 02:42 PM
No read on villain, zoom and our 4th hand in the same table.

Should I 3-bet this pre? In general I don't really know how to play these non-connected doublepairs or doublepairs anyway, been just 3-betting and go set-mine/rep aces or something but now we're pretty deep with the UTG.

I miss the flop but I have TT blockers and cbet, I expect villain to call with 1pair+draw type of hands. Is cbetting correct and if so, what about my sizing?

Turn completes one of the straights I'm blocking and villain leads half a pot trying to push me off aces(?), is raising spew or mandatory, and how is my sizing?

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    BTN: $6.13 (122.6 bb)
    SB: $8.44 (168.8 bb)
    BB: $12.94 (258.8 bb)
    UTG: $18.71 (374.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $12.57 (251.4 bb)
    CO: $7.32 (146.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 3 3 T T
    UTG raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.21

    Flop: ($1.12) Q 6 K (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.54, CO folds, UTG calls $0.54

    Turn: ($2.20) 9 (2 players)
    UTG bets $1.07, Hero raises to $3




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    Last edited by ogwi; 06-29-2014 at 02:53 PM.
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    06-30-2014 , 12:53 AM
    Your sizings on all streets are interesting, I would personally make them bigger, but whatever.
    Couple of points:
    1) I'm not 3betting this against an unknown UTG opener
    2) Definetely not cbetting this 3way (not gona show a profit and you dont really have any ways to improve)
    3) Turn is a must raise imo once you get here with this hand, sizing is whatever/fine
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    06-30-2014 , 01:11 AM
    As I said I really don't have clue how to play this type of hands, thanks for your help

    In general I have problems playing smaller sets so I like to 3bet 7889ss or 6677ss kind of hands to reduce SPR and get some kind of redraw to go with the set if I hit the flop.
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    06-30-2014 , 04:28 AM
    new to plo are we 3 betting this hand Hu?

    Hero (SB): $218.80 (109.4 bb)
    BB: $501.20 (250.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5 K 9
    Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero?
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    06-30-2014 , 04:48 AM
    you mean 4 betting and the answer is no.
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    06-30-2014 , 04:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guimz
    you mean 4 betting and the answer is no.
    ok and do we call with these hands?

    Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
    BB: $144.28 (144.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 3 3 4
    Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6
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    06-30-2014 , 02:27 PM
    villain is epic station+bluffmonkey drooler

    hes 3bet is 28 (lol AAx) but still for some reason im little bit paranoid shoving
    am i seeing ghosts?
    have played 200 hands and hes donkbet is 0, he has never donkshoved when rivered something
    fwiw, he called with bottom 2 on a pretty scary board for 2 streets before (100bb bet ott like here)
    i also expect him to call with Ax 2p 100% of the time
    the board is pretty dry, i just dont put him on a hand what calls often, so i think is it worth to shove given the small % of having KQ/AA

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BB: $176.68
    Hero (BTN/SB): $387.11

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with J 3 7 J
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($9.00) J 4 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $6.88, Hero raises to $21, BB calls $14.12

    Turn: ($51.00) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB calls $50

    River: ($151.00) A (2 players)
    BB checks

    Last edited by J0hny; 06-30-2014 at 02:35 PM.
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    06-30-2014 , 02:57 PM
    I guess you can't do anything else than value bet here... if he really calls any aces up and better you are printing money in this spot and not going for value is a pretty big mistake
    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    36,514 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: J46TA
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    JsJh3s7d62.75% 22,9140
    AJ,A4,A6,AT,AA,44,66,TT,KQ37.25% 13,6000
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    06-30-2014 , 03:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J0hny
    villain is epic station+bluffmonkey drooler

    hes 3bet is 28 (lol AAx) but still for some reason im little bit paranoid shoving
    am i seeing ghosts?
    have played 200 hands and hes donkbet is 0, he has never donkshoved when rivered something
    fwiw, he called with bottom 2 on a pretty scary board for 2 streets before (100bb bet ott like here)
    i also expect him to call with Ax 2p 100% of the time
    the board is pretty dry, i just dont put him on a hand what calls often, so i think is it worth to shove given the small % of having KQ/AA

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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    BB: $176.68
    Hero (BTN/SB): $387.11

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with J 3 7 J
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($9.00) J 4 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $6.88, Hero raises to $21, BB calls $14.12

    Turn: ($51.00) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB calls $50

    River: ($151.00) A (2 players)
    BB checks

    how often has he checked nuts OOP on river?
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    06-30-2014 , 03:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guimz
    I guess you can't do anything else than value bet here... if he really calls any aces up and better you are printing money in this spot and not going for value is a pretty big mistake
    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    36,514 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: J46TA
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    JsJh3s7d62.75% 22,9140
    AJ,A4,A6,AT,AA,44,66,TT,KQ37.25% 13,6000
    Ya, I checked and he ended up having AQ64r, felt terrible.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by burbs
    how often has he checked nuts OOP on river?
    I don't recall a smiliar spot like this tbh, only once in a small pot iirc
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    06-30-2014 , 03:59 PM
    its a shove than but he might have folded anyway
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    07-01-2014 , 09:12 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by burbs
    do we call 3bet with these hands?

    Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
    BB: $144.28 (144.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 3 3 4
    Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6
    ??
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    07-01-2014 , 11:05 AM
    I would fold this piece of crap pretty often.
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    07-01-2014 , 11:44 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guimz
    I would fold this piece of crap pretty often.
    There was a thread about this in HSPLO where most said to not folding basically anything to a 3bet IP except quads trips 555x 5555 etc

    The hand in example was something like A972 unsuited and they said this was a call
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    07-01-2014 , 12:56 PM
    Then why are you asking this question? Are you testing us or something? obviously dont fold anything reasonable to a 3bet ip
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    07-01-2014 , 01:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apo5tol
    Then why are you asking this question? Are you testing us or something? obviously dont fold anything reasonable to a 3bet ip
    no but more because i wasn't sure i agreed with them and these hands play bad post flop, plus not sure with HSPLO as most replies a trolls
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    07-01-2014 , 03:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by burbs
    There was a thread about this in HSPLO where most said to not folding basically anything to a 3bet IP except quads trips 555x 5555 etc

    The hand in example was something like A972 unsuited and they said this was a call
    The better your post flop abilities the looser you can play in position...
    That said I guess it's still a fold in that spot especially in your shoes.
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    07-02-2014 , 02:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J0hny
    Ya, I checked and he ended up having AQ64r, felt terrible.



    I don't recall a smiliar spot like this tbh, only once in a small pot iirc
    I don't think you should ever bet pot on this river, but as a previous poster said, it's a mistake not to go for value. To me, the problem with putting him all in is that you are very rarely getting a bet of that size called on this board except by hands that beat you (unless the guy is really a super donk). I can see some merit to checking in this spot occasionally but most of the time I'd bet about half of his stack or even a little less. Yes it screams value but you'd be surprised how often you get paid

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    07-03-2014 , 10:54 PM
    I think I massively overplayed this. I mean, we have 47% v his actual holding, however I think we can be in pretty bad shape. What line do you believe is best? I'm starting to think a c/call line would be good OTT?





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      BB: $102.09 (102.1 bb)
      UTG: $383.57 (383.6 bb)
      Hero (MP): $101.92 (101.9 bb)
      CO: $117.53 (117.5 bb)
      BTN: $178.85 (178.9 bb)
      SB: $100.50 (100.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q K J 5
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.98, CO calls $2.98, 3 folds

      Flop: ($7.46) 9 4 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

      Turn: ($17.46) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $14, CO raises to $58.67, Hero raises to $93.94 and is all-in, CO calls $35.27

      River: ($205.34) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $205.34 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: 9 4 2 T 5
      Hero showed Q K J 5 and lost (-$101.92 net)
      CO showed A T 9 J and won $202.54 ($100.62 net)



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      07-03-2014 , 11:35 PM
      just flat his raise on the turn. i'm pretty sure you can figure out when you should put in the last 35 on the river and when you shouldnt
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      07-04-2014 , 03:22 AM
      Vs an aggro stabber, I like a c/r on the turn occasionally. Otherwise b/c.
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      07-09-2014 , 09:45 AM
      Live PLO -- what's the cut-off for stack percentage to get in pre-flop with AAss? Are we trying to get 40% in pre if possible and then getting the rest in except for the absolute worst boards?
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