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12-29-2012 , 04:54 PM
With your read I don't mind going to calldown mode.
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01-04-2013 , 09:39 PM
I raise utg AcAd9cKd
btn 3bet he is maniac 80/40 3bet18% 80 hand (he can 3bet hands like JT45r)
I 4bet - he calls

pot 56bb , I have 53bb behind

flop 9h7hTs

I open pushed, its ok?
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01-05-2013 , 05:46 AM
yep
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01-05-2013 , 05:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
I don't expect to be ahead on turn against unknown

People often do these silly flop bets as bluffs, I just raise them because 'why aren't they cc or cr'

River call- he could have weak aces, his kk would be scared of your aa** his range is polarized...

I don't really have a conclusion
+1
Flopp call is fine imo we rep weak 8, so we can get a free river often enough, and we make the best hand on a T or Q, on turn I get away from the hand
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01-06-2013 , 10:17 PM
whats the point of shoving the flop if i have no fold equity? Don't really know how to play this spot even though im never folding.






    Cake Poker, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15254491

    SB: $101.70 (101.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): $244.60 (244.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 9 J Q
    SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

    Flop: ($18) T 7 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $12, SB raises to $54, Hero calls $42

    Turn: ($126) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $126, SB calls $38.70 and is all-in

    River: ($203.40) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $203.40 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: T 7 5 3 7
    SB showed 8 6 3 4 and won $202.90 ($101.20 net)
    Hero showed 8 9 J Q and lost (-$101.70 net)



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    01-07-2013 , 06:56 AM
    Well, there probably aren't any turns you're folding, so you might as well shove it in on the flop.
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    01-07-2013 , 07:28 AM
    You don't get fold equity but you are commit and get a better equity on flop, so jam it on the flop.

      Party, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15256701

      BTN: $100 (100 bb)
      Hero (SB): $219.50 (219.5 bb)
      CO: $321.29 (321.3 bb)
      BB: $25.63 (25.6 bb)
      MP: $200.17 (200.2 bb)
      UTG: $321.69 (321.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A A K 6
      UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $10, Hero raises to $34.50, BB folds, UTG calls $31, BTN calls $24.50

      Flop: ($104.50) 9 T J (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($104.50) 4 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

      River: ($104.50) 3 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $65.50 and is all-in, 2 folds




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      Std I guess.. Not weak to continue checking after it's checked flop and turn?
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      01-07-2013 , 11:08 AM
      Obv Ship is Obv? Villian is 80/47/0 over 15 hands

      PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $25.00
      SB: $27.66
      BB: $26.78
      Hero (UTG): $25.00
      MP: $8.00
      CO: $25.00

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T J 9 Q

      Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB raises to $3.10, Hero calls $2.35, fold

      Flop: ($7.05, 2 players) Q 7 2
      BB bets $6.73, Hero raises to $21.90 and is all-in, BB calls $15.17
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      01-09-2013 , 07:10 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by NoobYourself

        Party, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15256701

        BTN: $100 (100 bb)
        Hero (SB): $219.50 (219.5 bb)
        CO: $321.29 (321.3 bb)
        BB: $25.63 (25.6 bb)
        MP: $200.17 (200.2 bb)
        UTG: $321.69 (321.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A A K 6
        UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $10, Hero raises to $34.50, BB folds, UTG calls $31, BTN calls $24.50

        Flop: ($104.50) 9 T J (3 players)
        Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

        Turn: ($104.50) 4 (3 players)
        Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

        River: ($104.50) 3 (3 players)
        Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $65.50 and is all-in, 2 folds




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        Std I guess.. Not weak to continue checking after it's checked flop and turn?
        Standard, **** putting any more $$$ in on that board!

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
        Obv Ship is Obv? Villian is 80/47/0 over 15 hands

        PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BTN: $25.00
        SB: $27.66
        BB: $26.78
        Hero (UTG): $25.00
        MP: $8.00
        CO: $25.00

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T J 9 Q

        Hero raises to $0.75, fold, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB raises to $3.10, Hero calls $2.35, fold

        Flop: ($7.05, 2 players) Q 7 2
        BB bets $6.73, Hero raises to $21.90 and is all-in, BB calls $15.17
        Obvious ship is obvious indeed! What are you unsure about exactly? Do some ppt work, he has AA/KK & unlucky the times he has a dominating the fd. You're a favorite over that range:

        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        600,000 trials (Randomized)
        board: Q72
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        TdQd9J53.69% 321,707836
        KK, AA, AdAs9d, KdKs8d46.31% 277,457836
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        01-09-2013 , 07:27 PM
        2 more bluff hands, I was very bluff happy today!

        Villain here was 36/2 over 222 hands. Wtsd 22%, w$sd 68%
        He has plenty of **** to call me with on the flop & the turn so I'm planning on betting most rivers (probly not betting a 7) where I miss cause I think he has enough draw+one pear type stuff that he'll fold & maybe his weaker 2pears.
        Thoughts?


          IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          CO: $23.67 (118.4 bb)
          BTN: $14.28 (71.4 bb)
          SB: $28.40 (142 bb)
          Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)
          UTG: $58.24 (291.2 bb)
          MP: $29.87 (149.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 2 T A
          UTG calls $0.20, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.20, SB completes, Hero checks

          Flop: ($0.80) 3 8 4 (4 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG calls $0.80, 2 folds

          Turn: ($2.40) K (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

          River: ($5.60) K (2 players)
          Hero bets $4




          Villain here was 24/17 over 400, call open from SB 11%
          His fv flop cb was 50% over 20 hands. And his fvtcb was 50% over 4.
          When he doesn't c/r turn he doesn't have a straight, I think I have plenty of FE with a turn bet btw & can still get called by worse.
          In game I thought he'd have enough busted draws for me to be good a decent amount but given his tight call open the he won't have many bare fd, it'd be more, 2 pear, pear+draw, op+fd.
          Would you agree? If that's the case then bluffing the river is a fine idea, right?


            IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $20.10 (100.5 bb)
            BB: $20.37 (101.9 bb)
            MP: $47 (235 bb)
            Hero (CO): $38.47 (192.4 bb)
            BTN: $19.21 (96.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with K 2 T J
            MP folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN folds, SB calls $0.60, BB folds

            Flop: ($1.60) T 3 4 (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

            Turn: ($4) 5 (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

            River: ($10) 8 (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks

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            01-11-2013 , 12:25 PM
            hi,

            i have one quick question. what are the lowest possible stakes to play plo hu and crush the rake at ftp or stars? PLO50?
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            01-11-2013 , 10:43 PM
            I guess even on plo 100 stars it takes ridiculous amount of ur winrate
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            01-11-2013 , 10:48 PM
            Opp is reggish and tight... Not sure if any recreational player would fold but felt like we will have decent amounts of folds from tight ones.. Thoughts?

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            PL Omaha $2(BB) Replayer
            ($231)
            Hero ($200)

            Dealt to Hero J Q K 8

            Hero raises to $6, calls $4

            FLOP ($12) 3 J 7

            checks, Hero bets $8, calls $8

            TURN ($28) 3 J 7 8

            bets $25, Hero calls $25

            RIVER ($78) 3 J 7 8 3

            bets $52, Hero raises to $161 (AI),
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            01-12-2013 , 02:04 PM
            I'd rather have a few more reads or be a bit deeper to shove river, but don't hate it
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            01-12-2013 , 02:08 PM
              On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15381841

              BB: $47.50 (95 bb)
              MP: $47 (94 bb)
              CO: $46.87 (93.7 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $134.14 (268.3 bb)
              SB: $49.78 (99.6 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9 7 8
              2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

              Flop: ($10.50) 8 5 2 (2 players)
              BB bets $8, Hero



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              Vil is 34/20, 23% agg, 60% cb, 6.7% 3b, 60 hands
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              01-13-2013 , 11:18 AM
              I'd float and see a turn. There are many cards you can bluff and steal when checked to (prolly even ship it and steal?). That is, if villain is even somewhat decent and throws his KKxx, AAxx or other 4 high cards into a muck. Also raising this flop is a good option imo. If you raise and get re-raised, it's an easy fold.
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              01-13-2013 , 01:01 PM
              so raise to ~21 and fold....you sure about that?
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              01-13-2013 , 03:07 PM
              Raise fold is pretty terrible!

              Given his aggro %age I'd be more inclined to float and try to take it away on turn or river. Tonnes of turn and/or river cards crush his range.

              If he was an aggro barreller I'd jam flop and end it there. If he calls with bare AA we have decent equity. Bare KK = happy days even vs over pair + FD we still have like at least 30%

              Last edited by bompter; 01-13-2013 at 03:14 PM.
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              01-13-2013 , 03:13 PM
              Raing/Folding is terribad.

              Don't like the idea of Jamming given his sizing indicates minimal fold equity and us having an A in our hand/plus existance of FD means we do poorly versus his range. Think floating and bluffing some turns if he checks is the best plan.
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              01-14-2013 , 05:48 PM
              Ready for a hand from a live newb?

              $1-$2-$5 (bring in) PLO - this game has been quite loose

              Hero ($5000) Has been lucky and playing pretty well (maybe)
              Villain 1 ($1500) Raising ~60% PF despite position, not afraid to call a reraise
              Villain 2 ($1200) Has not been raising as much as V1, but equally as loose
              Villain 3 ($5000) Pretty nitty
              Villian 4 ($1200) Pretty decent player I think, at least he crushes NLH
              Villian 5 ($130) Lost big pot recently, been buying in for $100

              Live $10 straddle on button (table agreed to mandatory straddle).

              Dealt to Hero in Highjack: AK98

              V1 raises to $35, V2 calls $35, V3 calls $35, V4 calls $35, Hero calls $35, V5 (button) raises to $130, V1 calls $130, V2 calls $130, V3 calls $130, V4 calls $130, Hero raises to $930 (math is slightly off, but this is about right).

              I'm trying to get some folds obviously and play HU against V5 with the dead money, but figure I'm ahead of V1 and V2's range who are the most likely to call (most loose). Basically I'm gambling and I think this could be bad, but wondering if it's actually a decent aggressive play.
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              01-15-2013 , 01:55 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10
                On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15381841

                BB: $47.50 (95 bb)
                MP: $47 (94 bb)
                CO: $46.87 (93.7 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $134.14 (268.3 bb)
                SB: $49.78 (99.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9 7 8
                2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

                Flop: ($10.50) 8 5 2 (2 players)
                BB bets $8, Hero



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                Vil is 34/20, 23% agg, 60% cb, 6.7% 3b, 60 hands
                nh!
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                01-15-2013 , 11:38 PM
                Still not sure how I feel about that spot. The probably I see with floating is that all the good bluff cards for us ott are cards we hit, with the exception of maybe the 3 and 4. He'll often times slow down on the cards I hit, as they're the most obvious scare cards. Maybe I can bluff hearts sometimes, though doubt my range has many heart combos and it's pretty easy for him to small barrel hearts and put me in a lame spot. meh
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                01-15-2013 , 11:43 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by FoldnDark
                Ready for a hand from a live newb?

                $1-$2-$5 (bring in) PLO - this game has been quite loose

                Hero ($5000) Has been lucky and playing pretty well (maybe)
                Villain 1 ($1500) Raising ~60% PF despite position, not afraid to call a reraise
                Villain 2 ($1200) Has not been raising as much as V1, but equally as loose
                Villain 3 ($5000) Pretty nitty
                Villian 4 ($1200) Pretty decent player I think, at least he crushes NLH
                Villian 5 ($130) Lost big pot recently, been buying in for $100

                Live $10 straddle on button (table agreed to mandatory straddle).

                Dealt to Hero in Highjack: AK98

                V1 raises to $35, V2 calls $35, V3 calls $35, V4 calls $35, Hero calls $35, V5 (button) raises to $130, V1 calls $130, V2 calls $130, V3 calls $130, V4 calls $130, Hero raises to $930 (math is slightly off, but this is about right).

                I'm trying to get some folds obviously and play HU against V5 with the dead money, but figure I'm ahead of V1 and V2's range who are the most likely to call (most loose). Basically I'm gambling and I think this could be bad, but wondering if it's actually a decent aggressive play.
                It doesn't seem awful, but I don't really like it. With how deep you are, you're likely getting at least a couple calls, and your hand doesn't connect great with a lot of boards. Also, a couple of the shorter stacks could spoil the action by creating a dry sidepot that you have to showdown a winning hand against anyway. If you had something like AKJ9ss, maybe AK98ds, AKT8, I'd start liking it quite a bit more.
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                01-15-2013 , 11:49 PM
                  On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15493201

                  BTN: $62.79 (125.6 bb)
                  SB: $50 (100 bb)
                  BB: $101.23 (202.5 bb)
                  Hero (MP): $62.18 (124.4 bb)
                  CO: $93.25 (186.5 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 K K 5
                  Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

                  Flop: ($10.50) 7 T Q (2 players)
                  BB bets $8, Hero folds




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                  Vil is 46/30, 12% 3b pre, though a little higher from the blinds. Although also, his pfr stats suggest he's positionally aware, so could be a bit tighter 3betting me in this spot. I'm wondering if I should 4b pre instead of flatting. Vs a 12% 3b range I'm 50%, and it's a hell of a lot easier to play this hand with a small spr. If he's only 3betting 9% my equity drops to 46%. Can folding pre be better even against someone playing so laggy?
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                  01-16-2013 , 05:14 AM
                  Ndahlhoff10,
                  You need to provide villains donkbet stat. Maybe the villain has a note on you that you fold alot to donkbets as both of ur last hands were similar situations
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