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09-10-2012 , 04:36 AM
Always jamming. Happily.
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09-10-2012 , 08:15 AM
fold pre?

Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $58.02 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 50, 3B: 50, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
SB: $52.24 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 19
BB: $54.36 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 3
UTG: $27.17 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 40, 3B: 33, AF: 1.5, Hands: 5
Hero (MP): $16.50 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 9, AF: 2.4, Hands: 688
CO: $28.22 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 9

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with K K 7 A
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.35, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.85, Hero raises to $9.75, BTN calls $7.40, UTG calls $7.40

Flop: ($29.60) 5 Q 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.75, BTN calls $6.75, UTG calls $6.75

Turn: ($49.85) 3 (3 players)
UTG bets $10.67, BTN calls $10.67

River: ($71.19) 6 (3 players)
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09-10-2012 , 08:21 AM
Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $38.64 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
Hero (SB): $45.01 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 9, AF: 2.5, Hands: 707
BB: $16.05 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 3
UTG: $32.85 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
MP: $25.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 17
CO: $8.67 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A J K 9
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, BB raises to $1, CO calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.00) 6 8 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.86, BB raises to $11.44, CO folds, Hero raises to $37.18, BB calls $3.61 all in

Turn: ($33.10) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($33.10) T (2 players - 1 is all in)


spew?
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09-10-2012 , 08:23 AM
3bet yourself, 4bet is good as played.

E: 2nd hand, yeah don't stackoff with a bare 2nd nfd.
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09-10-2012 , 08:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabonator
3bet yourself, 4bet is good as played.

E: 2nd hand, yeah don't stackoff with a bare 2nd nfd.
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hand #1: i flatted the 1st raise cuz i tried to get it in 3way with such a good hand, is that a bad reason?
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09-10-2012 , 02:25 PM
am i a ****** for not jamming river ?
also, probably should ve bet bigger flop&turn, but didn't want to scare the flushes on the paired board.


PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $40.01
CO: $25.00
BTN: $34.06
SB: $29.20
BB: $35.06
UTG: $15.47

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A Q K Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($4.25, 5 players) Q 4 4
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, fold, fold, BB calls $1.75

Turn: ($9.50, 3 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, fold, BB calls $4.00

River: ($17.50, 2 players) 9
BB bets $16.71, Hero calls $16.71
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09-10-2012 , 02:45 PM
You're right: jam the river and bet bigger before - you'll get more value from trips, plus given BB's line he seems unlikely to be competent (did he call preflop with 9-4 or peel with 9-9 or J-T?!), he'd probably call down with non-nut flushes without counting pot odds.
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09-10-2012 , 02:48 PM
I size my bets the same. Means we can bluff cheaply when we have air and we get value from FD's etc and other crap V decides to call with.

River is clearly a jam though IMO.
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09-10-2012 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coon74
You're right: jam the river and bet bigger before - you'll get more value from trips, plus given BB's line he seems unlikely to be competent (did he call preflop with 9-4 or peel with 9-9 or J-T?!), he'd probably call down with non-nut flushes without counting pot odds.
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09-11-2012 , 01:17 AM
Hand one is vs a reg who likes to start tables. He is on the laggier side.
Hand two is against an unknown, but likely a reg type of player.


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13895802

BB: $508.80 (254.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 7 2 5
Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12.80, Hero calls $8.80

Flop: ($26.40) 8 3 Q (2 players)
BB bets $19.68, Hero calls $19.68 ??

Turn: ($65.76) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $49.59, Hero ?

Fold?, Shove?, Call and do what on different rivers?



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13895812

BB: $500 (250 bb)
MP: $448.08 (224 bb)
CO: $731.27 (365.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $206.80 (103.4 bb)
SB: $694.68 (347.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 J A T
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $11

Flop: ($33) 2 7 J (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero calls $24 ??

Turn: ($81) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $68, Hero ??
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09-11-2012 , 04:04 AM
Hand 1 - I'm either folding or raising flop as a bluff. Turn I'm def folding. You have 3 nut outs. 9's make a higher straight and we have to be worried bout spades. I think jamming is terribad. I don't play HU though so...

Hand 2 - Raising flop again. Probably jamming turn. You have blocker to AA and V could be barreling a wrap that turned hearts which we're happy to get in with.

I only play PLO20 though so take my advice with a pinch of salt
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09-11-2012 , 04:22 AM
Villain stats from (only) 51 hands = 41 vpip / 24 pfr / 65 AFq


UTG: $6.01
MP: $2.98
CO: $16.20
Hero (BTN): $21.51
SB: $10.00
BB: $41.96

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A 9 6 A

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 5 Q 7
CO bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.65, 2 players) 2
CO bets $0.78, Hero calls $0.78

River: ($3.21, 2 players) 8
CO bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00
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09-11-2012 , 10:06 AM
Is this a fold pre? I'm a noob. I guess it is.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $10.45
SB: $10.74
BB: $10.00
Hero (UTG): $15.03
MP: $7.49
CO: $9.33

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 4 6 3 5
Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero

Spoiler:
calls $1.15, CO calls $1.15

Flop: ($4.60) 6 8 6 (3 players)
SB bets $4.39, Hero calls $4.39, CO raises to $7.83 all in, SB calls $3.44, Hero calls $3.44

Turn: ($28.09) 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets $1.41 all in, Hero calls $1.41

River: ($30.91) K (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $30.91
SB shows 9 7 T J (a pair of Sixes)
Hero shows 4 6 3 5 (three of a kind, Sixes)
CO shows 9 7 7 Q (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Hero wins $2.69
Hero wins $26.83
(Rake: $1.39)


Last edited by Chloe O'Brian; 09-11-2012 at 10:06 AM. Reason: lol might even be an open-fold?
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09-11-2012 , 10:16 AM
open fold.
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09-11-2012 , 10:24 AM
Open-fold UTG, never fold to a 3bet.
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09-11-2012 , 11:29 AM
Yeah I rarely fold to 3b when I'm donking around at zoom plo but yeah I guess 3456 isn't exactly the strongest of rundowns lol.
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09-11-2012 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bompter
Hand 1 - I'm either folding or raising flop as a bluff. Turn I'm def folding. You have 3 nut outs. 9's make a higher straight and we have to be worried bout spades. I think jamming is terribad. I don't play HU though so...

Hand 2 - Raising flop again. Probably jamming turn. You have blocker to AA and V could be barreling a wrap that turned hearts which we're happy to get in with.

I only play PLO20 though so take my advice with a pinch of salt
Regarding Hand 1:

I think I´ll be folding a ton if I fold this, given that I open close to every hand and dont fold to 3bets much at all. Also think he will be able to jam flop a ton if I have a raise-folding range on a Q8x board and didn´t think I could pot-call. Not sure about the last part though. Will depend how often he is folding to that obviously.

Hand 2: Think raise/call is close on the flop and I can continue on any turn that improve me and he will bet-fold some of them, so decided to call.
Think turn is a fairly easy jam, given how many semi bluffs he has and the off chance that he has some air.
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09-11-2012 , 02:12 PM
I think you have too much equity on the turn to flat against that sizing, especially when it´s somewhat unlikely that he will make a big mistake on most rivercards. Also think this hand should be in your 3betting range for the most part BTN vs CO. Calling can be ok as a vacuum play though.
River call is fine vs that sizing. Doubt he is bluffing, but think he is valuebetting worse often enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveminuszero
Villain stats from (only) 51 hands = 41 vpip / 24 pfr / 65 AFq


UTG: $6.01
MP: $2.98
CO: $16.20
Hero (BTN): $21.51
SB: $10.00
BB: $41.96

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A 9 6 A

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 5 Q 7
CO bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.65, 2 players) 2
CO bets $0.78, Hero calls $0.78

River: ($3.21, 2 players) 8
CO bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00
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09-11-2012 , 02:35 PM
UTG's stats are 64/38/6 pre over 102 hands, flop cbet 6%, flop AF 0.4. SB's stats are 39/14/0 pre over 66 hands, flop AF 1.75, fold to flop cbet 3/4 (there was no cbet in the hand, but I don't have the general flop fold stat on my HUD and don't look into the popup often).

I pot/fold the flop for protection (they're both passive otf, are unlikely to semibluffraise). The turn helps J9, KQJ, AQ and brings a second FD. I can't fold with SPR=1.6 and have to jam to protect from FDs. Certainly the plan was to jam all turns: nut clubs are improbable in SB's hand because even such a passive player woulda c/r'ed a TP+NFD, bare 8's are improbable too. Is my line correct? Thanks in advance!

Microgaming - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): €55.19
SB: €34.34
BB: €50.50
UTG: €57.60
CO: €80.01

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7 A K T

UTG raises to €1.75, fold, Hero calls €1.75, SB calls €1.50, fold

Flop: (€5.75, 3 players) A 8 T
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets €5.75, SB calls €5.75, fold

Turn: (€17.25, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets €17.25

Last edited by coon74; 09-11-2012 at 02:47 PM.
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09-11-2012 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coon74
UTG's stats are 64/38/6 pre over 102 hands, flop cbet 6%, flop AF 0.4. SB's stats are 39/14/0 pre over 66 hands, flop AF 1.75, fold to flop cbet 3/4 (there was no cbet in the hand, but I don't have the general flop fold stat on my HUD and don't look into the popup often).

I pot/fold the flop for protection (they're both passive otf, are unlikely to semibluffraise). The turn helps J9, KQJ, AQ and brings a second FD. I can't fold with SPR=1.6 and have to jam to protect from FDs. Certainly the plan was to jam all turns: nut clubs are improbable in SB's hand because even such a passive player woulda c/r'ed a TP+NFD, bare 8's are improbable too. Is my line correct? Thanks in advance!

Microgaming - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): €55.19
SB: €34.34
BB: €50.50
UTG: €57.60
CO: €80.01

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7 A K T

UTG raises to €1.75, fold, Hero calls €1.75, SB calls €1.50, fold

Flop: (€5.75, 3 players) A 8 T
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets €5.75, SB calls €5.75, fold

Turn: (€17.25, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets €17.25
Not sure I like pot turn. Why would you plan to get it in if they're so passive? Their get it in range on this turn given your action has you crushed.

I probably check behind and hope to get to showdown or bet smaller and fold to a raise depending on whether I think V is capable of bluffing missed draws.
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09-12-2012 , 08:14 AM
Villain is 40/8 over 50 hands. His EP VIPIP/PFR is 75/25. No further reads. What do you do on the turn?

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $97.65
Hero (BB): $115.95
UTG: $181.10
MP: $98.00
CO: $97.15
BTN: $226.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has A A 7 T

UTG calls $1.00, fold, CO calls $1.00, fold, SB checks, Hero raises to $5.00, UTG calls $4.00, CO calls $4.00, fold

Flop: ($16.00, 3 players) T A 9
Hero bets $12.00, UTG calls $12.00, fold

Turn: ($40.00, 2 players) K
Hero
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09-12-2012 , 10:07 AM
No other play than to bet turn, like 27?
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09-13-2012 , 03:03 PM
SB's VPIP/PFR=72/17, AF=5.2, AFq=54% over 46 hands. I was clearly c/f'ing otf, hit a set ott, raised for value but got 3bet and decided to draw to a boat hoping that SB would spew otr if I filled up. It's strange that he didn't donkbet otf, but he could plan to c/r 54 and then lose patience after I checked back. I was so frozen that I didn't look at his aggression stats, so probably it was better to shove ott in case he got fancy with two pairs. How would you play this hand? Thanks!

Microgaming - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): €20.44
CO: €9.82
BTN: €18.15
SB: €21.79
BB: €12.79

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has A J 7 A

Hero raises to €0.35, fold, BTN calls €0.35, SB calls €0.30, fold

Flop: (€1.15, 3 players) 3 6 2
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (€1.15, 3 players) A
SB bets €1.15, Hero raises to €3.45, fold, SB raises to €11.50, Hero calls €8.05

River: (€24.15, 2 players) T
SB bets €9.94 and is all-in, fold
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09-14-2012 , 04:21 AM
Sup guys,

Kind of a newb but even I'm pretty sure this is really standard. Flop a pretty solid wrap vs two passive plo4 players and want to get some money in in the event that I hit.

    Cake Poker, $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    CO: $4 (100 bb)
    BTN: $8.79 (219.7 bb)
    SB: $1.70 (42.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $4.04 (101 bb)
    MP: $4.01 (100.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 T T 7
    CO posts BB OOP, MP calls $0.04, CO checks, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.16) J 8 6 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12, SB folds

    Turn: ($0.52) 3 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.35, MP calls $0.35, CO calls $0.35

    River: ($1.57) 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, CO raises to $1.08, Hero folds, MP calls $0.58

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.73 pot ($0.24 rake)
    Final Board: J 8 6 3 2
    CO showed J 5 3 4 and won $3.49 ($1.90 net)
    Hero mucked 9 T T 7 and lost (-$0.51 net)
    MP mucked T J 7 8 and lost (-$1.59 net)


    Standard?
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    09-14-2012 , 04:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by coon74
    SB's VPIP/PFR=72/17, AF=5.2, AFq=54% over 46 hands. I was clearly c/f'ing otf, hit a set ott, raised for value but got 3bet and decided to draw to a boat hoping that SB would spew otr if I filled up. It's strange that he didn't donkbet otf, but he could plan to c/r 54 and then lose patience after I checked back. I was so frozen that I didn't look at his aggression stats, so probably it was better to shove ott in case he got fancy with two pairs. How would you play this hand? Thanks!

    Microgaming - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (UTG): €20.44
    CO: €9.82
    BTN: €18.15
    SB: €21.79
    BB: €12.79

    SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

    Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has A J 7 A

    Hero raises to €0.35, fold, BTN calls €0.35, SB calls €0.30, fold

    Flop: (€1.15, 3 players) 3 6 2
    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: (€1.15, 3 players) A
    SB bets €1.15, Hero raises to €3.45, fold, SB raises to €11.50, Hero calls €8.05

    River: (€24.15, 2 players) T
    SB bets €9.94 and is all-in, fold
    Getting just about the right price if you think he stacks off on river if board pairs. If you think V is aggro enough to play a FD this way then maybe.

    Been thinking about the hand a while and I almost think this is a fold.

    V range for leading out on turn I guess would be draws, straights and maybe a few bluffs. When he 3b Turn though I think your crushed. If you had a FD as well then easy game but even if you think he stacks off on river when you boat up, after rake I'd has a guess and say this is still -ev.

    I would be interested to hear other peoples thoughts for sure.
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