Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour

08-23-2012 , 01:57 PM
2 thin?



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $14.23 (142.3 bb)
    BB: $2.85 (28.5 bb)
    UTG: $6.33 (63.3 bb)
    Hero (MP): $12.55 (125.5 bb)
    CO: $12.86 (128.6 bb)
    BTN: $9.65 (96.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 7 9 6
    UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.65, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.55, Hero calls $0.55, CO calls $0.55

    Flop: ($2.75) 6 5 3 (4 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($2.75) 5 (4 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

    River: ($2.75) 9 (4 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10

    Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
    08-23-2012 , 02:03 PM
    lol no
    Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
    08-24-2012 , 10:19 AM
    Villain Nit


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $10.83 (108.3 bb)
      BB: $12.02 (120.2 bb)
      UTG: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
      MP: $29.70 (297 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10.67 (106.7 bb)
      BTN: $11.89 (118.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with T 8 7 6
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.95) 7 3 5 (3 players)
      BB bets $0.68, MP folds, Hero calls $0.68

      Turn: ($2.31) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $1.32, Hero folds

      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-24-2012 , 10:29 AM
      I raise pf to iso the limper cause I'd much rather play this hand HU. It looks strong but the low suit and the high gap hurt it in multiway pots.

      Flop is std I think.

      I probably flat turn again and reeval with the plan of bluffing a lot of rivers if we miss depending on villain's action ofc. I doubt he's real strong here due to his betsizes (nit's like to bet big to protect their nuts). Kinda looks like an overpair trying to blocker bet you and charge for draws.

      Hmm... now that I think about it, a raise is starting to look enticing. Doesn't really suck that hard to raise/fold since our equity vs the nuts isn't good anyhow.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-24-2012 , 08:20 PM
      Hi everyone!

      villain is an aggro fish. (873) 73/26 , donk bet 42%, flop&turn aggr. 2.2, aggr% 47, 35

      The 42% donking range are include a lot of min donk bet i think, but i' don't hanve any read of donkbet sizeing

      Pre 3bet okay imo, btn 63/24 passive fish.

      Flop and turn play?


      $0.20/$0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG Player3 ($39.60) 99bb
      CO Player4 ($35.73) 89bb
      BTN Player5 ($33) 83bb
      SB Player6 ($113.72) 284bb
      BB Hero ($76.81) 192bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.60, 5 players) Hero is BB K A K 6
      2 folds, Player5 calls $0.40, Player6 raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $5.20, Player5 calls $4.80, Player6 calls $3.60

      Flop: 8 8 A ($15.60, 3 players)
      Player6 bets $15.60, Hero calls $15.60, Player5 folds

      Turn: J ($46.80, 2 players)
      Player6 bets $46.80, $46.8 to Hero ($56.01)?


      GL!
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-25-2012 , 04:25 AM
      I think I fold flop because i´m always shown the 8 here, but imo depends how crazy he is and how tilted
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-25-2012 , 09:51 AM
      Villain is aggro Latvian (only played 35 hands) who has 3-bet last 5 hands in BB. Villain likes to barrel all streets in 3-bet pots (on laptop so no HEM stats).

      Is this hand to weak to float villain? am I just burning cash trying to get to showdown?


      [converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13797832

      BB: $15.14 (151.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $32.19 (321.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5 4 9
      Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

      Flop: ($1.80) 8 2 Q (2 players)
      BB bets $1.31, Hero calls $1.31

      Turn: ($4.42) 3 (2 players)
      BB bets $4.22, Hero ???
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-25-2012 , 03:37 PM
      [converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13797832

      BB: $15.14 (151.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $32.19 (321.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5 4 9
      Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

      Flop: ($1.80) 8 2 Q (2 players)
      BB bets $1.31, Hero calls $1.31

      Turn: ($4.42) 3 (2 players)
      BB bets $4.22, Hero ???[/QUOTE]


      I think flop raise/fold is better than just call. If the flush comes OT it's freeze the action and if he capable barelling, we are in thought spot imo.

      OT in this pot i shove. We have grate eq against made hands, some eq against bigger draws, and we have a little FE some players who barrels a lot.
      I don't like call here coz OR we hardly ever get paid off when hit our flushes. Sometimes with str8 mb some vbet, and if villain shoves on flush card we are in not that lovely situation again.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-26-2012 , 05:42 AM
      Flat flop, shove turn is good.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-26-2012 , 08:02 PM
      Hi all,

      Villain looks OK, but minisample, have this over 'bout 200 hands.

      25/17/3.7

      Would you guys bet the turn?

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1869741
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $41.01
      SB: $24.75
      BB: $69.71
      UTG: $137.84
      MP: $51.88
      Hero (CO): $118.78

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A 9 8 A
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP calls $1.85

      Flop: ($5.55) 9 K J (2 players)
      MP bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

      Turn: ($12.55) 8 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero checks

      River: ($12.55) 2 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP folds
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 04:56 AM
      I wouldn't and I like the way you played it given how deep you are.

      Imo it's going to go check/bet/raise or check/bet/call a lot more than it will go check/bet/fold. It would suck to have to fold the nfd to a raise and if he chk/calls then you'll have the nice headache of trying to pin down his range and figure out which rivers you can bluff and which rivers you have to give up on.

      This way you get to realize your equity for free and it's unlikely you're giving up much equity since that board smacks his range pretty hard. Also, you won't be making many bad mistakes on the river. If he bets again and you dont improve to aces up or a flush it's a fairly easy fold.

      Last edited by Wolfram; 08-27-2012 at 05:05 AM.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 07:54 AM
      Great ty for feedback
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 01:10 PM
      Today I came in a ton of spots like this, where I really feel I'm missing value, but on the other hand I feel like I'm gettin c/r'd always. Would you guys bet the river? If so which sizing? Villian is a mediocre reg and not much information, only 'bout 200 hands. I guess it's really villian dependent isn't?

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1870310
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $42.30
      SB: $39.66
      BB: $26.17
      UTG: $67.96
      MP: $25.00
      Hero (CO): $48.85

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K K 7 8
      UTG raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.90, 2 folds, BB calls $2.65, UTG calls $2.05

      Flop: ($8.80) Q 3 J (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($8.80) Q (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG bets $3.94, Hero calls $3.94, BB folds

      River: ($16.68) 6 (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero checks
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 01:24 PM
      Anyone else like underbetting the river?

      Hero has the deck crushed so there isn't much to get value from.

      Edit: aimed at post 5335
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 01:34 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MaartenG1337
      Today I came in a ton of spots like this, where I really feel I'm missing value, but on the other hand I feel like I'm gettin c/r'd always. Would you guys bet the river? If so which sizing? Villian is a mediocre reg and not much information, only 'bout 200 hands. I guess it's really villian dependent isn't?

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1870310
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $42.30
      SB: $39.66
      BB: $26.17
      UTG: $67.96
      MP: $25.00
      Hero (CO): $48.85

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K K 7 8
      UTG raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.90, 2 folds, BB calls $2.65, UTG calls $2.05

      Flop: ($8.80) Q 3 J (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($8.80) Q (3 players)
      BB checks, UTG bets $3.94, Hero calls $3.94, BB folds

      River: ($16.68) 6 (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero checks
      Bet flop.

      Turn is so yucky. At first glance I want to fold even to that small betsize. You need 23% eq to call, you only have 12% vs a top 15% hand that has a Queen (14% vs any Q) and very slim implied odds except on nailing a King. There's also rio when you make a flush and he outplays you somehow. And you're not closing the action either. Only thing that weights towards a call imo is that this is a really good stabbing spot for villain since your range is face up and he got a check from the other guy.

      River is woteva. Bet small/fold to a raise if you think he won't mess around often. He shouldn't c/c with a boat here because the river did very little to change his relative hand strength vs your range (You'll rarely have Q6). Most of the time this is either trip Q's that's check/calling or a boat that's trapping.

      If you're unsure of whether he's capable of turning his hand into a bluff or being tricky with a missed draw then you might want to take a free showdown. Even more so if he's capable of c/f-ing trips here.

      Last edited by Wolfram; 08-27-2012 at 01:51 PM.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 01:47 PM
      We're 200bb deep in that hand you noticed right? If so that means you're willing to stack of 200bb with OP + 2nd nut FD? Against a close to unknown? That's not really awesome is it?

      And i think there"s also a fairly good chance WE outplay HIM as I think it's a bit weird to immediatly set his range to toprange, since he only bet out like ~45% pot. I'd obv fold if we were OOP.

      Last edited by MaartenG1337; 08-27-2012 at 01:55 PM.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-27-2012 , 08:41 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MaartenG1337
      We're 200bb deep in that hand you noticed right? If so that means you're willing to stack of 200bb with OP + 2nd nut FD? Against a close to unknown? That's not really awesome is it?
      It's 200bb but the pot is bloated. spr is 5.2:1 so it's a little over one pot sized raise to get all in.

      We're not really betting and hoping to go all in. We don't mind it but we're mostly betting because it's a 3way pot and we have enough equity to be worth protecting. Imo we lose more EV by giving a free card than by bet-getting it in vs a reasonable range.

      Edit:
      After doing some sims I think you might be right. We need to have 45% equity to get it in and we have about 39% vs a reasonable range.

      Quote:
      And i think there"s also a fairly good chance WE outplay HIM as I think it's a bit weird to immediatly set his range to toprange, since he only bet out like ~45% pot. I'd obv fold if we were OOP.
      It might be too tight, idk. If he stabs in these spots then it's certainly a call. Without any reads I'm not sure what to do.

      Last edited by Wolfram; 08-27-2012 at 08:53 PM.
      Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
      08-28-2012 , 01:03 PM
      Hero just clicking buttons

      Villain is 24/3/3 AF; small sample, so he is pretty much unknown

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        CO: $14.45 (144.5 bb)
        BTN: $3 (30 bb)
        SB: $11 (110 bb)
        Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
        UTG: $10 (100 bb)
        MP: $10.19 (101.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with K A 9 T
        UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.40) K Q J (4 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, SB folds

        Turn: ($1.30) 2 (3 players)
        Hero bets $1.24, UTG folds, CO raises to $4.96, Hero calls $3.72

        River: ($11.22) 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $9.09 and is all-in, Hero folds




        On the turn it's ok to stackoff and get freerolled?
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-28-2012 , 02:29 PM
        well, calling was probably the worst option.. just shove OTT
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-28-2012 , 06:50 PM
        I know you're not supposed to show results but my question has to do w/ the villains hand so it's important that it's included. My question is, as the villain is this a good river shove? There are very few hands that have him beat but he'd have to expect that if he gets called he's going to lose. The only hands he could expect to beat if I call are hands w/ 99 or AQ/AJ/AT. I'm new to PLO so I could have this all wrong.

        PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) ZOOM - Omaha - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

        BTN: $1.12
        SB: $2.00
        BB: $1.62
        UTG: $1.45
        MP: $2.28
        Hero (CO): $4.33

        SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

        Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has As 5d 9s Kc

        UTG raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold

        Flop: ($0.21, 3 players) 9h Ks Ac
        UTG bets $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.15

        Turn: ($0.51, 2 players) Ad
        UTG bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

        River: ($1.23, 2 players) 3s
        UTG bets $0.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.88

        UTG shows 8d Kd 3c Kh (Full House, Kings full of Aces) (Pre 56%, Flop 85%, Turn 0%)
        Hero shows As 5d 9s Kc (Full House, Aces full of Kings) (Pre 44%, Flop 15%, Turn 100%)
        Hero wins $2.89
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-28-2012 , 08:49 PM
        $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
        iPoker
        5 Players
        Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

        Stacks:
        UTG ($8.47) 42bb
        CO ($36.84) 184bb
        kelekala (BTN) ($40.22) 201bb
        SB ($33.80) 169bb
        BB ($2.62) 13bb

        Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 5 players) kelekala is BTN Q J 3 Q
        UTG calls $0.20, CO raises to $0.90, kelekala calls $0.90, 1 fold, BB goes all-in $2.62, UTG calls $2.42, CO calls $1.72, kelekala raises to $13.20

        Ok to "squeeze" with these pretty queens, when only reg (CO) has any sort off stack and has never AAxx, I suppose he'd ship KKxx also there to the fishes raises.

        Flops do have plenty of fold equity imo.

        TY allready
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-29-2012 , 05:18 AM
        Looks good.
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-29-2012 , 10:18 AM
        g57_g57, I think Villain should have check/folded the river because in your place a typical PLO2 regular with any hand worse than A9 would neither call nor bet if checked to. If he deems you a weak loose-passive player for some reasons, he may shove the river for value expecting any 99 or trip aces to call.
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-29-2012 , 09:11 PM
        Hi

        Villian: 59/33/21, bet river 55 (154)

        read: pre, and flop betsize shown weak made+drawish hands. before this hand he use 3/4 pot cbetsize. I assume that he is capable floating OOP w marginal holdings cuz he bets a lot OTR.

        River insta donk.
        I exclude from his range sets. Small flush holdings not turn into a bluff.

        W nut flush he thinks a bit how much bet before he did.

        Villian range is polarized full house or air, right?

        OR call or fold?


        $0.20/$0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
        4 Players
        Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

        Stacks:
        CO Player6 ($40) 100bb
        BTN hero ($169.04) 423bb
        SB Player4 ($136.71) 342bb
        BB Player5 ($22.68) 57bb

        Pre-Flop: ($0.60, 4 players) hero is BTN 9 8 8 10
        1 fold, hero raises to $1.20, Player4 raises to $2.20, 1 fold, hero calls $1

        Flop: K 7 10 ($4.80, 2 players)
        Player4 bets $2.40, hero raises to $8, Player4 calls $5.60

        Turn: 6 ($20.80, 2 players)
        Player4 checks, hero bets $20.80, Player4 calls $20.80

        River: 6 ($62.40, 2 players)
        Player4 bets $62.40, $62.4 to hero ($138.04)?
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote
        08-30-2012 , 05:54 AM
        What do you expect to beat, exactly? Everything got there.
        Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour Quote

              
        m