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11-02-2011 , 05:29 PM
Now that this is a sticky I have trouble finding it.

Something which I never do but seems to happen to me a lot: I bet pot when it's checked to me in a 2 or 3 way pot and get snap min-raised. They then donk pot OTT. It happened to me twice today when I had the bare NFD on a dry board such as K 6 8 In both instances I called the minraise then folded to the donk OTT. What sort of hands do villains generally seem to turn up with when they do this sort of thing?
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11-03-2011 , 08:19 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.10/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10962682

SB: $42.12 (421.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $16.61 (166.1 bb)
UTG: $6.06 (60.6 bb)
MP: $11.90 (119 bb)
CO: $10.07 (100.7 bb)
BTN: $8.14 (81.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 9 7
UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) T J 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, BTN folds, SB calls $1.20, Hero ??

Im a real Omaha noob so not many situations are standard for me. UTG was real tight.. For betting out here I put him on a real strong hand like top two, set or a strong draw, probably not bare aces, of course I dominate many of his draws so thats ok... SB is a real live one.. he could have almost anything here. My question here is do I just pot it to try to get as much money as possible in or do I just call here to keep the SB in the pot with possible non-nut draws.
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11-03-2011 , 08:21 AM
Pot it. You have 14 nut outs so just go with em. There might be some fold-equity also.
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11-03-2011 , 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IseeBrokePeople
[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.10/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10962682

SB: $42.12 (421.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $16.61 (166.1 bb)
UTG: $6.06 (60.6 bb)
MP: $11.90 (119 bb)
CO: $10.07 (100.7 bb)
BTN: $8.14 (81.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 9 7
UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) T J 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, BTN folds, SB calls $1.20, Hero ??

Im a real Omaha noob so not many situations are standard for me. UTG was real tight.. For betting out here I put him on a real strong hand like top two, set or a strong draw, probably not bare aces, of course I dominate many of his draws so thats ok... SB is a real live one.. he could have almost anything here. My question here is do I just pot it to try to get as much money as possible in or do I just call here to keep the SB in the pot with possible non-nut draws.
Shovel the money in as fast as possible
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11-03-2011 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Alrighty Roo
Shovel the money in as fast as possible
Thanks for the answers. Thats what I did of course. Just got me thinking if there is a situation similar to this one where your EV is bigger"slowplaying" your draw to get more customers with worse draws in the pot?
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11-03-2011 , 10:13 AM
Another one when Im at it...No reads at all here but I guess at this limit he almost always have AAxx here.


[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.25/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10962992

BTN: $41.36 (165.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $26.38 (105.5 bb)
MP: $46.54 (186.2 bb)
CO: $5.52 (22.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K T J Q
MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $11, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 7 Q 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.75 and is all-in, BTN calls $13.75
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11-03-2011 , 10:47 AM
Standard.
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11-03-2011 , 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IseeBrokePeople
Just got me thinking if there is a situation similar to this one where your EV is bigger"slowplaying" your draw to get more customers with worse draws in the pot?
Sometimes from position. But now, when you're oop and might have some fold equity, shoving makes your life easier.
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11-03-2011 , 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IseeBrokePeople
Another one when Im at it...No reads at all here but I guess at this limit he almost always have AAxx here.


[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.25/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10962992

BTN: $41.36 (165.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $26.38 (105.5 bb)
MP: $46.54 (186.2 bb)
CO: $5.52 (22.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K T J Q
MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $11, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 7 Q 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.75 and is all-in, BTN calls $13.75
Totally fine.

If in doubt, don't slow play. Never slow playing can only ever be a small mistake whereas slow playing frequently can get you into trouble.

Btw/ can anyone help me with my above post (#3976). I just find getting minraised like that on a dryish board really odd and don't know how to react.
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11-03-2011 , 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alrighty Roo
Now that this is a sticky I have trouble finding it.

Something which I never do but seems to happen to me a lot: I bet pot when it's checked to me in a 2 or 3 way pot and get snap min-raised. They then donk pot OTT. It happened to me twice today when I had the bare NFD on a dry board such as K 6 8 In both instances I called the minraise then folded to the donk OTT. What sort of hands do villains generally seem to turn up with when they do this sort of thing?
With NFD or an nut straight draw you get good price to call and they are often not folding to a 3bets, atleast not in my experience. I often just call and when miss fold if they pot the turn. If you see him doing it more frequently you can start 3betting flop or raising turn light to get it in with your nut draws or made hands.
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11-03-2011 , 06:49 PM
Standard? CO 3b 11% total but sqzes only 4% over 600 hands. BTN and BB are 60/20 something and hence I suspect CO to be lighter here than usual. UTG is somewhat decent and I'd expect him to shove most of his opening range here. 7.4% pre in 5way pot is pretty rough but split equity ftw lol.

What kind of hands are we getting it in with if UTG were to shove?

$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($92.18)
Hero (UTG+1) ($372.63)
CO ($100)
BTN ($215.75)
SB ($100)
BB ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 J K 2 K
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, CO raises to $15.50, BTN calls $15.50, 1 fold, BB calls $14.50, UTG calls $12, Hero raises to $93.50, CO goes all-in $100, BTN raises to $178, BB calls $84.50, UTG calls $76.68, Hero raises to $256, BTN calls $37.75

Flop: 3 7 10 ($764.43, 5 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 6 ($764.43, 5 players, 1 all-in)

River: Q ($764.43, 5 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $764.43
Hero shows
J K 2 K
CO shows
2 7 A A
BTN shows
8 7 9 9
BB shows
A 4 8 6
UTG shows
K K 2 5

BTN wins $721.18 (net +$505.43)

Hero collects $40.25 (net -$215.75)
CO lost $100
BB lost $100
UTG lost $92.18
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11-03-2011 , 07:46 PM
I think it's standard, but 5 way AIs don't happen often.

It sucks that UTG also had KKxx. fwiw KKxx is favourite over 2 people who have AAxx.
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11-04-2011 , 08:01 AM
Imo just call again the second time around
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11-04-2011 , 09:58 AM
first session on the site like 5 hands in so know no one. villian was completely unknown

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($9.89)
SB ($14.42)
BB ($6.71)
UTG ($20.64)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2, A, 4, 4
UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.45, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 2, 8, 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.65) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $8.52, UTG raises to $15.04, Hero calls $0.12 (All-In)

River: ($19.93) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $19.93 | Rake: $0.99
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11-04-2011 , 10:01 AM
Pre is a loose-ish iso-raise, especially without reads.
Just call turn imo and try to showdown river unimproved/fold to a sizeable donk bet.
Villain is gonna show up with a straight fairly often, but he'll probably spew if you fill up OTR.
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11-04-2011 , 07:41 PM
Villain is 56/17, 30% aggression frequency over 228 hands

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($160)
BB ($87.85)
UTG ($100)
Hero ($110)
BTN ($76.30)

Dealt to Hero T 9 7 6

fold, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

FLOP ($12) 5 3 8

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, BTN folds, SB folds, BB raises to $21, Hero calls $13

TURN ($54) 5 3 8 Q

BB bets $52, Hero calls $52

RIVER ($158) 5 3 8 Q 5

BB bets $11.85 (AI), Hero folds

BB wins $156
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11-04-2011 , 10:39 PM
dadude77

Pre I just limp, flop ok, turn Id just call and Id fold this river facing a bet.

wazz

not enough PLO to comment PLO100 But I think it was wp

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My hand! I think trying c/r here was mistake. Should I lead, and getting raised call, CiB or pot? (another expression I've learned, first time used by me )

CO
PLO10 52 hands
VPIP/PFR/AF 42/6/2.5

BU unknown

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $10.74
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $8.50
CO: $10.00
BTN: $18.58

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 3 J Q Q

fold, CO raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, fold, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10, 3 players) 5 A Q
Hero checks, CO bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05, Hero raises to $5.25, CO raises to $9.65 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $4.40 and is all-in
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11-05-2011 , 07:07 AM
you played it standard, you want to get it in and you want more dead money in the pot and checking lets this exact sequence of events happen the most often.
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11-05-2011 , 08:08 AM
Wazz: standard, wp
andre: standard, wp
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11-10-2011 , 02:27 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11008572

BTN: $2.02 (101 bb)
SB: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.33 (116.5 bb)
MP: $4.89 (244.5 bb)
CO: $1.53 (76.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 J 5 3
MP folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.05) 4 2 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.05, CO calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.15) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks



No reads, kinda clueless.

I bet out on flop hoping to steal on a dry board. I also had the open ender and backdoor flush. But after villain called flop I put him on minimum pair of 9s and wasn't sure I could get him off of them. C/F turn?
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11-10-2011 , 02:52 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11008602

    CO: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
    BTN: $1.95 (97.5 bb)
    SB: $1.04 (52 bb)
    BB: $1.76 (88 bb)
    UTG: $6.48 (324 bb)
    Hero (MP): $2.65 (132.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 A A 3
    UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.09, CO folds, BTN calls $0.09, SB calls $0.08, BB folds, UTG calls $0.07

    Flop: ($0.38) 4 7 7 (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

    Turn: ($0.98) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.94




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    Is turn a std value bet?
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    11-10-2011 , 03:29 AM
    1st hand: Flop c/c Turn c/f. I think theres a lot of better spots to extract value.

    2nd hand: Turn I think I b/f this flop and getting called my turn action would depends on BU stats, against totally unknown I c/f, because I dont see too many hands calling you this flop without a 7. If hes too CS betting as usual because he could have a 4, KK or QQ.
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    11-10-2011 , 06:13 AM
    1st hand bet flop bet turn, he will have garbage a lot, you always have outs, and in general when you take initiative you don't give it up for basically meaningless turns like this one.

    2nd hand there aren't any flush draws and he could have a 7 so check-eval now, if he checks back he probably doesn't have one and you should feel free to vb any 2349JQKA - you're certainly not going to get 3 streets of value from worse so you'd rather get your 2nd street on blank rivers and get free info as to whether you're (probably) beat and bets when checked to.
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    11-10-2011 , 07:51 AM
    both players on the pot are loose and weak, observed over a small sample.
    what's the optimal river play now that we got there?

    €0.25/€0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG (€63.78)
    napsus (UTG+1) (€50)
    CO (€81.01)
    BTN (€70.10)
    SB (€151.34)
    BB (€156.91)

    Pre-Flop: (€0.75, 6 players) napsus is UTG+1 9 4 K K
    1 fold, napsus raises to €1.50, 1 fold, BTN calls €1.50, 1 fold, BB calls €1

    Flop: 5 4 10 (€4.75, 3 players)
    BB checks, napsus bets €3.56, BTN calls €3.56, BB calls €3.56

    Turn: K (€15.43, 3 players)
    BB checks, napsus bets €12.50, BTN calls €12.50, BB folds

    River: Q (€40.43, 2 players)
    napsus goes all-in €32.44?
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    11-10-2011 , 12:18 PM
    If BTN is passive then I just shove, but if he is capable to bluff then I c/c. Hes range is so fd/wrap heavy that I think he has so weak real that he never can call you unless he made bd str8.
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