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03-17-2011 , 04:51 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8288632

    SB: $16.81 (168.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): $10.11 (101.1 bb)
    BTN: $7.33 (73.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 T 9 K
    BTN calls $0.10, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.30) 8 Q K (3 players)
    SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.90) 6 (3 players)
    SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50

    River: ($4.90) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ????




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    Presumably a river bet is too thin even vs a bad/loose-agg player? (80/50) Worst hand we can bet for value vs this kinda opponent?

    Last edited by ZingZhang; 03-17-2011 at 04:57 PM.
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    03-17-2011 , 04:55 PM
    How debatable is preflop, villain is something like 40/20 over a small sample, so we don't auto put him on aces or even something super premium. Given how bad this board is for our hand, is there an argument for betting 1/2 pot and folding or is it just a standard bet/call with these stacks. Thanks, will get more active with replies as I get more experience, don't want to donk up the forum just yet but certainly won't be leeching


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      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8288642

      CO: $5.84 (58.4 bb)
      BTN: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
      Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $16.04 (160.4 bb)
      MP: $8.09 (80.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 4 K K
      MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2.10) 8 9 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2, CO raises to $4.84 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.84

      Turn: ($11.78) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($11.78) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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      03-17-2011 , 05:11 PM
      Ah, 1 more, this one bothered me a little since I just don't know if we can get called here ever. It is a raise though, right? same 80/50 loose fish, he has shown down strong-ish hands like trips etc having bet 1/2 pot 3 streets so I think all two pair type combos are possible and that he does have a made hand, I believe he gives up rivers if he were betting a draw. Standard, thin, optimistic, bad??

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        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8288732

        BB: $5.65 (56.5 bb)
        UTG: $11.43 (114.3 bb)
        Hero (MP): $28.91 (289.1 bb)
        CO: $9.70 (97 bb)
        BTN: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
        SB: $4.90 (49 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 J K Q
        UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

        Flop: ($0.95) 7 A K (2 players)
        UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

        Turn: ($1.55) 2 (2 players)
        UTG bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

        River: ($2.95) 7 (2 players)
        UTG bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.90,




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        03-17-2011 , 05:36 PM
        CO is 62/41 w/ 19% 3bet over 185 hands.
        BTN is 30/23 w/ 20% 3bet over 60 hands.

        How do you feel about 4betting for value? Is it better than calling when oop? How do you react to a flop like this with <1 spr w/ unpaired hands?

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          Hero (UTG): $11.43 (114.3 bb)
          MP: $10 (100 bb)
          CO: $12.06 (120.6 bb)
          BTN: $12.89 (128.9 bb)
          SB: $10.20 (102 bb)
          BB: $12.03 (120.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with K 9 J A
          Hero raises to $0.35, MP folds, CO raises to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.95, CO calls $3.75, BTN calls $3.75

          Flop: ($15) 4 7 4 (3 players)
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          03-18-2011 , 10:44 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by IgnatiusJR
          CO is 62/41 w/ 19% 3bet over 185 hands.
          BTN is 30/23 w/ 20% 3bet over 60 hands.

          How do you feel about 4betting for value? Is it better than calling when oop? How do you react to a flop like this with <1 spr w/ unpaired hands?

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            Hero (UTG): $11.43 (114.3 bb)
            MP: $10 (100 bb)
            CO: $12.06 (120.6 bb)
            BTN: $12.89 (128.9 bb)
            SB: $10.20 (102 bb)
            BB: $12.03 (120.3 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is UTG with K 9 J A
            Hero raises to $0.35, MP folds, CO raises to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.95, CO calls $3.75, BTN calls $3.75

            Flop: ($15) 4 7 4 (3 players)
            Personally would much prefer the 9 to be suited to the K if I'm going to play this way. Imo this is a far from premium hand and a 4b here is more from frustration than value, many better hands to play back with, even without position. I appreciate that the villains are kinda lagtarded but they're still 3b'ing your UTG raise, but if you know that they're totally ignorant of position then I guess you can give them less credit, you're still getting called a ton tho so maybe you could run this against a random hand and see how it fairs.

            Think this hand seems prettier than it is and that a 4b/call off or 4b/jam flops is overplaying it by a fair bit. I'd fold and wait for an easily better spot, if they are playing manically then it won't be long in coming. just mo

            Last edited by ZingZhang; 03-18-2011 at 10:46 AM. Reason: shameless 'reply whilst waiting for quick check-ups on my own' :D
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            03-18-2011 , 03:29 PM
            rushh, villain is an unknown. pre might be a fold? mainly interested in flop plan, i assume c/r is fine but want to check


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              Hero (SB): $27.41 (109.6 bb)
              BB: $10 (40 bb)
              UTG: $38.37 (153.5 bb)
              MP: $17.32 (69.3 bb)
              CO: $29.23 (116.9 bb)
              BTN: $23.33 (93.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with A T 2 K
              UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero calls $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85

              Flop: ($3.55) 9 K 6 (3 players)
              Hero checks, UTG bets $3.55, BTN folds, Hero raises to $10, UTG raises to $33.55, Hero calls $16.31

              Turn: ($56.17) 9 (2 players)
              River: ($56.17) 5 (2 players)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $56.17 pot ($2.80 rake)
              Final Board: 9 K 6 9 5
              Hero showed A T 2 K and lost (-$27.41 net)
              UTG showed 9 4 6 9 and won $53.37 ($25.96 net)
              BTN mucked and lost (-$1.10 net)



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              03-18-2011 , 03:36 PM
              Zing:

              1) c/r turn
              2) meh, maybe a small bet.
              3) I would flat PF OOP vs. a shortstack
              4) River raise is fine, but maybe a bit smaller? Your size makes his calling range mostly stuff that beats you, IMO.

              Ligic:

              Standard post. Pf is close, IMO (to fold).

              Also, both of you, be sure to read the OP of this thread and be sure the hands/questions you're asking are appropriate.
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              03-19-2011 , 09:16 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
              Zing:

              1) c/r turn
              2) meh, maybe a small bet.
              3) I would flat PF OOP vs. a shortstack
              4) River raise is fine, but maybe a bit smaller? Your size makes his calling range mostly stuff that beats you, IMO.

              Ligic:

              Standard post. Pf is close, IMO (to fold).

              Also, both of you, be sure to read the OP of this thread and be sure the hands/questions you're asking are appropriate.
              Noted and done, started out that way and then got carried away with a few that would've been better elsewhere, mostly due to having doubts over every hand at this stage lol. Thank you, v helpful!
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              03-19-2011 , 05:24 PM
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                MP: $25 (100 bb)
                CO: $7.50 (30 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $31.30 (125.2 bb)
                SB: $24.08 (96.3 bb)
                BB: $24.10 (96.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with J 3 A A
                CO posts BB OOP, MP folds, CO checks, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $1, 2 folds

                Flop: ($2.70) 4 8 T (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $7




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                With the info I had I decided to play for stacks in this spot (likely fish + very aggro over small sample).

                Although on first glance our hand looks very strong here, I have found that (at 6max 25plo on stars) you run into sets a lot more here than worse fd + pair or wrap+fd, 2pair etc.

                People tend to construct their ranges very face up and fold weak hands, call medium hands and raise nut hands.

                OOP we don't really have the option to flat this raise ever with this type of hand right? IP to this action does anyone flat raise? Does everyone just say shove and reload if we lose here or am I right this isn't as much as a cooler as it first looks? Thanks
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                03-19-2011 , 05:32 PM
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                  BTN: $26.34 (105.4 bb)
                  Hero (SB): $83.22 (332.9 bb)
                  BB: $24.58 (98.3 bb)
                  UTG: $23.58 (94.3 bb)
                  MP: $23.20 (92.8 bb)
                  CO: $59.95 (239.8 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A 3 A
                  UTG folds, MP raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.80, BB folds, MP calls $1.95

                  Flop: ($5.85) J 7 8 (2 players)



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                  I bet here to b/f. Turn paired the 8, what is best line now? Easy shove? c/f? c/c?
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                  03-19-2011 , 10:20 PM
                  Both opponents are unknown although from the flop action I instantly think they are both bad.
                  What percentage of the time am I being minraised by hands like KJJ2 here?
                  I think if he is raising and stacking off with hands like that and/or we are allin 3way on the flop I get it in vs. MP as a favourite in the sidepot a lot.
                  If UTG turns out to be the opposite type of player and is just a straightforward bad nit how do i progress?



                    IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8318792

                    CO: $177.75 (355.5 bb)
                    BTN: $16.10 (32.2 bb)
                    SB: $86.02 (172 bb)
                    Hero (BB): $61.41 (122.8 bb)
                    UTG: $21.33 (42.7 bb)
                    MP: $45.50 (91 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 A K T
                    UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

                    Flop: ($2) K K 5 (4 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG raises to $3, MP calls $3, SB folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG raises to $20.83 and is all-in, MP folds, Hero calls $6.83




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                    03-20-2011 , 08:11 PM
                    ^^^^, just fold it, poker is rigged.
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                    03-20-2011 , 10:00 PM
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                      xxx (BB): $50.50 (101 bb)
                      Hero (SB): $168.45 (336.9 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 A K A
                      Hero raises to $1.50, iMaz123 calls $1

                      Flop: ($3) 4 5 A (2 players)
                      xxx checks, Hero bets $2.50, iMaz123 raises to $8, Hero calls $5.50

                      Turn: ($19) 6 (2 players)
                      xxx checks, Hero checks

                      River: ($19) 7 (2 players)
                      xxx bets $15.50,




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                      villain played very str8forward, dunno repop the flop..call river? bet turn?
                      im kinda lost here
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                      03-20-2011 , 10:01 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by s1`
                      Both opponents are unknown although from the flop action I instantly think they are both bad.
                      What percentage of the time am I being minraised by hands like KJJ2 here?
                      I think if he is raising and stacking off with hands like that and/or we are allin 3way on the flop I get it in vs. MP as a favourite in the sidepot a lot.
                      If UTG turns out to be the opposite type of player and is just a straightforward bad nit how do i progress?
                      You put all your monies in the damn pot. Then you stand up and yell GOGOGOGO!

                      (srs)
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                      03-22-2011 , 01:23 PM
                      villain pretty aggro, no reads couple hands in

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                      Hero (SB): $126.70 (126.7 bb)
                      BB: $71.50 (71.5 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 6 7 T
                      Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

                      Flop: ($18) T 6 4 (2 players)
                      BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

                      Turn: ($34) 9 (2 players)
                      BB bets $20.25, Hero calls $20.25

                      River: ($74.50) 4 (2 players)
                      BB bets $34.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $34.25
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                      03-23-2011 , 08:50 AM
                      Can a few people post their graph where "Call Preflop 3bet = True"?

                      Mine looks pretty bad, just wanna see if its normal
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                      03-23-2011 , 12:15 PM
                      good idea, will do when i get home
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                      03-23-2011 , 03:36 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by alaplancha
                      shove and reload if we lose here
                      This.

                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by alaplancha
                      I bet here to b/f. Turn paired the 8, what is best line now? Easy shove? c/f? c/c?
                      I think it's a c/f now. His flop peeling range is slowplayed straights and sets/two pair hands, which are now mostly boats.

                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by s1`
                      Both opponents are unknown although from the flop action I instantly think they are both bad.
                      What percentage of the time am I being minraised by hands like KJJ2 here?
                      I think if he is raising and stacking off with hands like that and/or we are allin 3way on the flop I get it in vs. MP as a favourite in the sidepot a lot.
                      Trips with Nut kicker and 3 overs to the board = get it in, IMO.

                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
                      villain played very str8forward, dunno repop the flop..call river? bet turn?
                      im kinda lost here
                      I don't play HU, but he's unlikely to have 23**, you have outs if he does and he likes his hand. I'd repot the flop to protect against FD's, don't give him a card he can get away from 44/55 on.
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                      03-23-2011 , 05:19 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by eule
                      villain pretty aggro, no reads couple hands in

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                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8343892

                      Hero (SB): $126.70 (126.7 bb)
                      BB: $71.50 (71.5 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 6 7 T
                      Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

                      Flop: ($18) T 6 4 (2 players)
                      BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

                      Turn: ($34) 9 (2 players)
                      BB bets $20.25, Hero calls $20.25

                      River: ($74.50) 4 (2 players)
                      BB bets $34.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $34.25
                      I fold turn here most of the time w/o reads.

                      As played I fold river.
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                      03-23-2011 , 07:49 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by Adzy85
                      Can a few people post their graph where "Call Preflop 3bet = True"?

                      Mine looks pretty bad, just wanna see if its normal
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by this_passing
                      good idea, will do when i get home
                      Thanks.


                      Anyone else? pkrtxs? Leroy? GGARJ? MFN? SK?
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                      03-24-2011 , 09:16 AM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by Adzy85
                      Thanks.


                      Anyone else? pkrtxs? Leroy? GGARJ? MFN? SK?
                      I'll try to remember at lunch.
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                      03-24-2011 , 12:38 PM
                      CO is 38/17 passive post
                      BB is 28/11, 9% 3bet. Haven't seen him cold call pre yet.

                      Is a cbet in order on this board when it's multiway, spr is 2.5, and my range is pretty well defined?

                      [converted_hand][hand_history]Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8404882

                      MP: $13.34 (133.4 bb)
                      CO: $12.68 (126.8 bb)
                      BTN: $10.17 (101.7 bb)
                      Hero (SB): $13.86 (138.6 bb)
                      BB: $8.13 (81.3 bb)
                      UTG: $17.83 (178.3 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with A A J J
                      UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO raises to $0.45, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.55, BB folds, UTG calls $1.45, CO calls $1.10

                      Flop: ($4.75) 8 6 2 (3 players)
                      Hero...
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                      03-24-2011 , 01:00 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
                      I'll try to remember at lunch.
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                      03-24-2011 , 01:20 PM
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                      03-24-2011 , 01:34 PM
                      Hi,

                      villain is a tag reg, even though I don't have a lot of hands of him he doesn't seems to play with position awereness but he seems to 3bets a little to much pf.

                      Entraction $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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                      BTN: $70.95
                      SB: $23.67
                      Hero (BB): $57.24
                      UTG: $59.01
                      CO: $102.20

                      Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with T J 8 Q
                      1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $5.50, CO calls $4.25

                      Flop: ($18.25) 4 J 2 (3 players)
                      Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $17.50, Hero ?
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