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10-24-2024 , 06:36 AM

JustinJSKS

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Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 27

Any tools I can use to drill preflop for 5 card. Preferably not 199$/month to use it though. I'll pay something IDC doesn't have to be free, but IDK $200? Please advise. Also if it does have post flop spots that's great too. I don't wanna make a post every time I wonder if I should open a hand or call a raise etc, unless there's actually something to talk about. Please help

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10-30-2024 , 11:19 AM

PhatPots

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I used PLO genius for a little bit. It's still a work in progress. It's a bit cheaper. I am curious what other people are using. I had also used FlopHero a bit (mostly to play through hands). FlopHero is only 4 card at the moment.

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10-31-2024 , 06:55 AM

wazz

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Preflop poker trainers are a scam and it will hurt your game. Learn theory. Play better. Use the solver in different ways.

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11-08-2024 , 02:31 AM

TopPair2Pair

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I've got a chart I'll dig out for you. it might help

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11-12-2024 , 09:34 PM

TiltyFish88

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 105

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Originally Posted by wazz

Preflop poker trainers are a scam and it will hurt your game. Learn theory. Play better. Use the solver in different ways.

Genuine question. How do you expect to learn range construction w/o practicing preflop to a degree? And how do you proceed w/ learning theory when your range construction is ****ed up?

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11-13-2024 , 05:17 AM

wazz

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Originally Posted by TiltyFish88

Genuine question. How do you expect to learn range construction w/o practicing preflop to a degree? And how do you proceed w/ learning theory when your range construction is ****ed up?

Your opening promise of ingenuousness is somewhat undermined by the way you turned up the heat on your interrogation in the second sentence.

I have no good answers to your questions.

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11-13-2024 , 03:36 PM

TiltyFish88

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Do you ever just answer a question like a normal person?

Truth is you're wrong man and your advice can actually do more damage to others learning.

You can't properly navigate postflop if your ranges are completely out of wack.

I agree it's more beneficial to study theory vs drilling pre all day every day but to say "just learn theory and **** preflop" is insane.

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11-13-2024 , 07:57 PM

wazz

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I don't owe you straight answers to your questions. I certainly don't owe you a guide to what I said. If you're reading what I said and somehow imagined me saying '**** preflop' then start a creative writing course, because fiction must be your strong suit

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11-13-2024 , 08:39 PM

TiltyFish88

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Originally Posted by wazz

You don't owe anyone anything correct. But if your position isn't defendable then maybe you're wrong and need to reconsider your position.

No guide needed. Was very clear.

You telling those trying to get started to "just learn theory and play better" won't help anyone. I don't expect much from a guy on 2p2 who clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about but here we are lol. Anyway I genuinely was curious to hear you defend your position (which you clearly can't) but oh well.

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11-13-2024 , 11:17 PM

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AAJTo

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Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,111

"Someone teach me how to play and no I don't want to pay anything for this information. I want to put zero effort in and I am not willing to spend money on it - wtf why are people being a smartass towards me?"

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11-14-2024 , 04:27 AM

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wazz

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Originally Posted by TiltyFish88

You do what you need to do, I can't imagine how you think my position is 'preflop isn't important', GL

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