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01-11-2010 , 09:02 PM
Villain here is CertifiedDon1 on FTP - hes a solid TAG. Makes some interesting (loose/bad) plays from time to time, but generally very solid. I'd be surprised if he wasn't one of you or a lurker here at the very least.

Should I be playing this different? I felt very strongly theres no way he has me both ways in this hand and that I was free rolling him to a boat or that I had nut lo and he had a hi hand w/no nut lo. I raised here and played fast because I want to shut out SB, plus the fact that I see no way I'm folding here.

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($282.75)
MP2 ($134)
MP3 ($172)
CO ($59.85)
Hero (Button) ($192)
SB ($72.50)
BB ($431.70)
UTG ($123.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, A, 4, 2
5 folds, CO calls $2, Hero bets $6, SB calls $5, BB calls $4, CO calls $4

Flop: ($24) 4, 5, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $54, 1 fold, BB raises to $186, Hero calls $132 (All-In)

Turn: ($396) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($396) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $396 | Rake: $3

Spoiler:
Results:
Hero had 5, A, 4, 2 (two pair, fives and fours).
BB had 3, A, 7, Q (straight, seven high).
Outcome: BB won $393
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01-11-2010 , 10:16 PM
Without looking at the spoiler, you could easily put him on A23 since you have the Ad and he cant be raising the NL with the NFD?
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01-11-2010 , 10:17 PM
and yes...certdon is a reg here
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01-11-2010 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by predator06
Without looking at the spoiler, you could easily put him on A23 since you have the Ad and he cant be raising the NL with the NFD?
I could but I didnt, and for a reason.
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01-11-2010 , 11:33 PM
I will worry about the vilian has sth like A23x. So I will call flop and see what turn card is. Anyway, i will try to keep the pot small.
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01-12-2010 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by muyir
I will worry about the vilian has sth like A23x. So I will call flop and see what turn card is. Anyway, i will try to keep the pot small.
And you don't worry about SB acting behind - with now good odds to call with many draws? And you cannot keep the pot that small - even if I just call the flop bet there will be $44 in the pot on the turn - the turn doesn't change things - we have nut lo with 2P and villain can bet pot again at which point I'm in the same dilemna as on the flop, except now villain will be able to put me all-in on the river if he so chooses. Seems too weak. Seems like I'm just calling along with my made hand waiting for something to happen - what am I waiting for and why? I hate playing weak poker, I'd rather raise or fold when I have the opportunity. Yes, sometimes calling has merit, but here it just seems super weak.

So you saw what the turn card was, playing it how you suggested, what is your turn action going to be - and can you give an honest, unbiased opinion after seeing the river card?
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01-12-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by wackjob
So you saw what the turn card was, playing it how you suggested, what is your turn action going to be - and can you give an honest, unbiased opinion after seeing the river card?
I'd ship the turn

I think you played it fine. This is pretty standard.
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01-12-2010 , 02:10 AM
I admit I always do not play cards that agg ...
Based on this turn, if he pot bets, I will fold since no fold ev I can get. If he bets like 1/2 pot, I will pot reraise since I have Ad and he should not have nut high. If he is good player, he should fold.
Anyway, I think you have good read with this player. You treat his less than 1/2 pot donk bet size in flop as weak, so you know you lead a lot.
The river sucks, however, your pot raise flop is good ev. Based on your read, your playing seems optimal.
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Originally Posted by wackjob
And you don't worry about SB acting behind - with now good odds to call with many draws? And you cannot keep the pot that small - even if I just call the flop bet there will be $44 in the pot on the turn - the turn doesn't change things - we have nut lo with 2P and villain can bet pot again at which point I'm in the same dilemna as on the flop, except now villain will be able to put me all-in on the river if he so chooses. Seems too weak. Seems like I'm just calling along with my made hand waiting for something to happen - what am I waiting for and why? I hate playing weak poker, I'd rather raise or fold when I have the opportunity. Yes, sometimes calling has merit, but here it just seems super weak.

So you saw what the turn card was, playing it how you suggested, what is your turn action going to be - and can you give an honest, unbiased opinion after seeing the river card?
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01-12-2010 , 10:18 AM
Will a MOD please move this back to the O8 forum - some O8 MOD is move happy and I have explained before that the converter I use occassionally makes errors and lists my O8 hands as just PLO hands. Thanks.

-wack
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01-12-2010 , 10:35 AM
Yeah lol I was so confused and was going to post fold preflop.
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01-12-2010 , 12:57 PM
It's not a big deal to change Omaha to Omaha Hi-Lo manually btw.
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01-12-2010 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjob
Will a MOD please move this back to the O8 forum - some O8 MOD is move happy and I have explained before that the converter I use occassionally makes errors and lists my O8 hands as just PLO hands. Thanks.

-wack
It will probably end up here right away if you don't change the text so it will be obvious this is an O8 hand.

Maybe we can create an eternal mod-loop here
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