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PLO6 flop nuts in 4b! hu w spr 2.58 PLO6 flop nuts in 4b! hu w spr 2.58

06-03-2023 , 09:57 AM
Playing 2-4plo6 online hu vs a tag on an app.

I have Ax hh in BB.. my full hand was AJ7553 w A high hearts and J high diamonds. It’s probably a fold pre but it’s close.

Flop 843hhh

Spr is 2.58 have 612 behind and the pot is 237…

What is your action on the flop oop against a 4b here ?

1. Donk lead and what size
2. Check to check raise
3. Check to check call
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06-03-2023 , 03:24 PM
I think 3-betting this is pretty bad.

I guess x flop. Not expecting a flop bet very often at all. Would x/c.

If you think you get here with some bare Ah hands then donk's more reasonable but that's pretty hard to do w/3b and call a 4b.
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06-03-2023 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NJPW
I think 3-betting this is pretty bad.

I guess x flop. Not expecting a flop bet very often at all. Would x/c.

If you think you get here with some bare Ah hands then donk's more reasonable but that's pretty hard to do w/3b and call a 4b.
I def like donking here w Ah blocker and telling the story early.

Not so concerned about 3b! Ya it’s not the greatest… just more concerned w what to do when we flop nuts oop.

Are we donk leading nut flushes?

I want to be somewhat balanced in the sense if I always just donk pot w nuts then what does it mean when I check?
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06-03-2023 , 05:18 PM
I would think checking makes the most sense...4! player should have more nut flushes as he has more dsAA in range as we didn't 5!. Give him a chance to rep something. Spr is low enough you can get it all in by the river even if flop checks through. Plus your line looks a little bluffier if he checks back flop since he'll appear capped and he might level himself into a call.

If V bets I would just check call to conceal our hand strength. Don't let V off the hook easily. Let him keep bluffing or value owning. Not as worried about equity denial/board pairs with the 3 too. V shouldn't have many sets anyway.
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06-03-2023 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
Not so concerned about 3b! Ya it’s not the greatest… just more concerned w what to do when we flop nuts oop.

Are we donk leading nut flushes?

I want to be somewhat balanced in the sense if I always just donk pot w nuts then what does it mean when I check?
Apologies for trying to help you by mentioning that terrible preflop play.

Dumbo really covered the leading nf part and I already answered that question in my previous post. This board won't hit him. We block a 3. Having no blocker on KJ8 would be a spot where you could lead. In the actual hand, spr is small enough to bet turn and ship river.

Seeing pre and the way you disregard it, you definitely don't care about balance or playing well. Why in the blue hell would you pot here if you donked? There are other sizes to bet.
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06-03-2023 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
I would think checking makes the most sense...4! player should have more nut flushes as he has more dsAA in range as we didn't 5!. Give him a chance to rep something. Spr is low enough you can get it all in by the river even if flop checks through. Plus your line looks a little bluffier if he checks back flop since he'll appear capped and he might level himself into a call.

If V bets I would just check call to conceal our hand strength. Don't let V off the hook easily. Let him keep bluffing or value owning. Not as worried about equity denial/board pairs with the 3 too. V shouldn't have many sets anyway.
Ya I wasn’t worried about set, I like a check on this dry of board too
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06-03-2023 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NJPW
Apologies for trying to help you by mentioning that terrible preflop play.

Dumbo really covered the leading nf part and I already answered that question in my previous post. This board won't hit him. We block a 3. Having no blocker on KJ8 would be a spot where you could lead. In the actual hand, spr is small enough to bet turn and ship river.

Seeing pre and the way you disregard it, you definitely don't care about balance or playing well. Why in the blue hell would you pot here if you donked? There are other sizes to bet.
I agree the pre flop play is bad…. I would rather have more of a rundown of 2p in my hand.

Ok so what size do you like?

I actually meant to write bet not necessarily pot.

2.5 spr is weird so half pot makes more sense if we’re going to donk lead.

I try to play better just bc I made a pre flop mistake doesn’t mean I don’t want to get better. I agree with what you said so you helped thanks!
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06-03-2023 , 07:48 PM
Your 3b is a huge mistake and way more important than whether to check call or donk small (both of which have merit but I would probably check range).

This is a spot in 6 card where someone has the nuts often and it’s just hard to make any money. He usually has 2 aces and you usually have 1.
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06-03-2023 , 10:29 PM
Just pot/call flop, Hero should have some fold equity in this texture and villain shouldn't have many tough decisions on turn if it checks through

A little smaller than pot fine too to set up better turn sizing buts more fold equity isnt bad with such a weak hand
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06-03-2023 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Just pot/call flop, Hero should have some fold equity in this texture and villain shouldn't have many tough decisions on turn if it checks through

A little smaller than pot fine too to set up better turn sizing buts more fold equity isnt bad with such a weak hand
I think you misread..OP has the nut flush.
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06-04-2023 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Your 3b is a huge mistake and way more important than whether to check call or donk small (both of which have merit but I would probably check range).

This is a spot in 6 card where someone has the nuts often and it’s just hard to make any money. He usually has 2 aces and you usually have 1.
Agree.. villain was folding to 3b! At a high enough frequency that 3b! Wide here seemed not as bad. People don’t really fold to 3b! In 6 card it just isn’t a thing. The fact he was makes me want to actually 3b! Wider (and fold to 4b!) til he stops folding to it. But that’s all besides the point..

The pre flop dynamic is irrelevant though..

My real question is when you flop the nuts oop are you mixing in checks or is it 100% flop lead.

I showed it to 2 people and they were like “you missed a flop bet” to take it down.

My point was that if you have the nuts and nut blocker and it’s a 4b! Pot so sets are hard to have for villain when he 4b! That it’s likely we have the board locked up. The only value combo villain has is Khi flush that would put any money in the pot given we know villains tight.

In these spots I like to check for deception for later streets so K hi feels comfortable putting in a bet or two.

Checking also keeps in bluffs that might stab. Also middling flushes may be more likely to continue when checked to and in low spr spots, so say he had J9hh danglers or something after a check or two might go for thin value.

If I lead all of the air folds out and villain might even hero fold a middling flush expecting more barrels so a lead is really strong And works better w bluff combos bc my stack is leveraged and looks like it’s all going in.

I checked turn was an A

Last edited by PokerEthics; 06-04-2023 at 06:48 AM.
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06-04-2023 , 07:25 PM
Flop is a check. We could take the lead against a really passive opponent, but vs a TAG we have to check. Whether to c/r or c/c depends on your understanding of his strategy and tendencies. If you think he might try to run you over this is a fine spot to slowplay. We can have low flushes that want to call just once vs a small bet. But if you think he is value heavy and/or likely to shut down once u c/c then u can just rip now.
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