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PLO25 - 4789 in SB PLO25 - 4789 in SB

02-13-2009 , 08:15 AM
So I completed this hand in the small blind. And flopped a massive draw.

Should I have reraised the flop or should I wait to see a safe turn (ie making sure the board doesn't pair on the turn)?

Then as I only called the flop, should I have led the turn?

Villain is playing 33/10/3.6

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($25.00)
BTN ($52.39)
Hero (SB) ($29.69)
BB ($29.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 4 players) Hero is SB 7 8 9 4
CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: Q 6 5 ($1, 4 players)
Hero bets $0.95, 2 folds, BTN raises to $3.80, Hero calls $2.85

Turn: 2 ($8.60, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: 6 ($8.60, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.17, Hero folds
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 08:17 AM
you should be pumping it like a lunatic on the flop - get it all in there.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 09:41 AM
You got enormous equity on the flop with a draw.. so push it. Villain probably won't fire the turn if you hit your straight, so you miss value with a call. your hand is also kind of faced up at this point.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 10:12 AM
You don't mention your opinion of the villain - what do you think he plays like this? Let's say he is tight. In that case we'll assume he's only reraising here with a set, so since it is heads up I don't think your call is bad because otherwise you will merely be flipping for your stack. If he is thinking about your hand he will of course have to put you on the straight draw when you call here, but how is he to know that your 9s wasn't say the 3s instead?

Therefore against a tight, straightforward player I would bet an amount on this turn that leaves me about a pot sized bet on the river. If I'd made the straight on the turn I'd invite tighty in to draw to a boat which I will never pay off (he'd never bluff it). Then I'd value bet somewhere from 1/2 to full pot on the end, in my view if a low card comes and he just called on the turn he won't be able to call your (pot) bluff those times you've missed, and if the board pairs on either turn or river you've saved money.

If he is tight but plays his aces ******edly and could show up with them here then reraising the flop is better, and against a loose player I'd just try and get it in asap.

Last edited by jj179; 02-13-2009 at 10:17 AM.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 02:05 PM
You can shove it all in if you feel like flipping. I think you played it just fine though.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 03:25 PM
Ship on flop. You are favorite versus everything but sets, and in pretty good shape versus them too.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
Ship on flop. You are favorite versus everything but sets, and in pretty good shape versus them too.
This is not quite right. Hands like 6789 will have you in bad shape, and hands like pair + OESD have you marginally beat.

People are so gamble happy with draws. If you think you have any fold equity, than sure, jam it. But it's seriously okay to just peel.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 05:54 PM
ship flop imo, oop peeling sort of sucks unless you can be sure he has a set here everytime (i.e. super passive). In position just calling would def be an option but calling oop gives away too much about your hand.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 06:07 PM
fold pf, but you played it fine postflop.

if you shove on this flop what is he going to call you with? His numbers seem to be the kind of guy who limps to see as many flops as he can, flop a set or something strong and then get it in. you'll either see a very similar hand to yours or with him having a similar draw + a pair which will make you a dog. or he can have a set with us behind.

shoving to me is pointless, if we had a confident FD to go with it which gives us more outs, then I'm fine with shoving for 1BI. but with this, any 34789 on the turn, and he won't know for sure if we hit it or not and we can try and get paid off.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 09:38 PM
with 43.3 % equity against a set, you have to ship here unless he has a set 100% and he folds to your reraise 0%, neither of which are ever true. basically if he ever folds a set or top 2 here, you must ship
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by popoko42
with 43.3 % equity against a set, you have to ship here unless he has a set 100% and he folds to your reraise 0%, neither of which are ever true. basically if he ever folds a set or top 2 here, you must ship
Who folds a set on that flop? Equity is great on the flop but the pots small, and you cant discount a set or similar hand with redraws. Anyway I think you played it fine but shipping flop seems fine too.

One problem I see is that your not really gonna get value from villian by c/r if he has a hand that you crush like AA or top two. If he wants to get it in then chances are good your a dog.

Last edited by snookAjab; 02-13-2009 at 09:49 PM.
PLO25 - 4789 in SB Quote
02-13-2009 , 10:06 PM
Quote:
Who folds a set on that flop?
not to many people but if someone folds a set 10% of the time, that makes a 3 bet worth it. also, villain should know that our bet pot/3 betting range has to be super duper strong
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