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PLO200 HU 3 bet pot how would u play this? PLO200 HU 3 bet pot how would u play this?

10-07-2008 , 02:00 AM
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $288.00
BB: $229.80

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with Q Q 6 K
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 8 J 8 (2 players)
BB bets $18,

This is about the 10th hand of the match or so no reads really... - - - - -
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10-07-2008 , 02:11 AM
I think its fair to say that hes cbetting this board 100% bc "no one bluffs paired boards at these limits." I would call because if we raise and the money goes in the middle, were usually in alot of trouble.
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10-07-2008 , 02:16 AM
Ok- say we call and turn is a K and he leads full pot. Call again? Fold river if we don't hit Q or flush?
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10-07-2008 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DiceMan14
I think its fair to say that hes cbetting this board 100% bc "no one bluffs paired boards at these limits."
Is this a level? Ive made some pretty damn epic bluffs in my day at 1-2 plo... anyways call flop evaluate turn?
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10-07-2008 , 08:47 AM
raise here under a pot size raise. (3/4 or something). If he calls and checks I'd check behind almost* all turns and play my hand for face value.


*If we turn a spade, I still might like a check behind even though I'd be fairly confident that our flush is good here a high % of the time. I just don't think you'll get called by much worse if you bet that turn and will always get called with better. You also might induce a hero call on the river if he checks or a bluff if hes tricky.
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10-07-2008 , 08:59 AM
Fold to 3-bet pre-flop. This is not a good hand vs his range. As played you can probably peel the flop, but I think raising is a bit spewey especially on a paired board with a non-nut flush draw & no straight draw.
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10-07-2008 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sc000t
raise here under a pot size raise. (3/4 or something). If he calls and checks I'd check behind almost* all turns and play my hand for face value.


*If we turn a spade, I still might like a check behind even though I'd be fairly confident that our flush is good here a high % of the time. I just don't think you'll get called by much worse if you bet that turn and will always get called with better. You also might induce a hero call on the river if he checks or a bluff if hes tricky.

I wouldn't do this as a standard line, but I do like it. People tend to play more straight forward in 3b pots so if you raise him 1/2pot or so if he has AAXX he will most likely flat your raise and check to you on turn so you have effectively bought a cheaper look at the river. You may get him to fold some hands to.

Downside obv is if he chooses to commit on flop and just 3bets.
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10-07-2008 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HustlerLA
I wouldn't do this as a standard line, but I do like it. People tend to play more straight forward in 3b pots so if you raise him 1/2pot or so if he has AAXX he will most likely flat your raise and check to you on turn so you have effectively bought a cheaper look at the river. You may get him to fold some hands to.

Downside obv is if he chooses to commit on flop and just 3bets.
This isn't my standard play but this spot has some reasons that make it a good line in my eyes at least. With it being early in the HU session, it makes the 3bet ranges tighter in both opponents eyes and with a narrow range (or percieved range actually) it looks like he is taking this flop with caution and looking to b/f, or b/c would be my second guess*.

Either way, I think if he b/c's this flop, our FD is probably good but will make it hard to get paid off if it hits after the raise on the flop. If for some reason it isn't good (possible, but not as likely) the check behind might save us some money when we're behind but earn us some value when we've got him drawing dead or very slim.

Also, if he calls a flop raise and checks the turn, we can do a number of lines from there on in depending on what falls and what the stack size left/pot size is.



*If he b2b this flop, you need to note this line and probably look to see if he is either a trickier player or an idiot (could be either).
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10-08-2008 , 01:11 PM
Some very good responses itt. I elected to go with what sc000t thought and raised almost full pot. He 3 bet and since I thought my fd was good + the Q I got it in. Turns out the guy had 3 bet KJ79 with 3diamonds and flopped the full.

This early in the match with no reads i still don't know what the right play can be. Deeper maybe we can raise/fold? I didn't want to call cause I would not like facing a psb on a blank turn. Leak maybe? I also never fold to 3 bets HU- maybe like 4% of the time if my hand is just really ugly. is this a leak too? I feel like i can really hammer on opponents in position whether they are raising AA only or a wide range.
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10-08-2008 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by urbe
Some very good responses itt. I elected to go with what sc000t thought and raised almost full pot. He 3 bet and since I thought my fd was good + the Q I got it in. Turns out the guy had 3 bet KJ79 with 3diamonds and flopped the full.

This early in the match with no reads i still don't know what the right play can be. Deeper maybe we can raise/fold? I didn't want to call cause I would not like facing a psb on a blank turn. Leak maybe? I also never fold to 3 bets HU- maybe like 4% of the time if my hand is just really ugly. is this a leak too? I feel like i can really hammer on opponents in position whether they are raising AA only or a wide range.

Did he flop a fullhouse. The hand above doesn't flop a boat. I really don't like the raise for full pot, I think you lose value with that bet vs a smaller one in a number of ways.

I fold to preflop 3bets HU depending on my opponents tenancies and stack sizes remaining. I don't do it a lot but there are times when I know I'll have play a hand pretty tight and if I know he's cbetting high % then I'll just get out preflop for a 3bb loss.

After this hand you should be able to gauge his level of thinking as the match progresses (if it does) when comparing this hand to his overall style of play.

Last edited by sc000t; 10-08-2008 at 01:39 PM.
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10-08-2008 , 01:32 PM
LOL it was KJ78 with 3 diamonds that he 3bet with. After this hand I 4 bet him a few times with strong hands but not hands most people would 4bet like A QJ9 dbs suited type stuff. I stacked him a few times then he left. Match was very short.
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